ZL1 perf and pricing announced
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ZL1 perf and pricing announced
Sorry to steal your thunder Chevy with today's announcement, but you're second fiddle once again.
0-60 4.0
1/4 12.1 @119
Top Speed of 184 MPH
And what's with your performance times "from a rolling start"? Who the hell does that?
0-60 4.0
1/4 12.1 @119
Top Speed of 184 MPH
And what's with your performance times "from a rolling start"? Who the hell does that?
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Originally Posted by 2010MustangGT
GT500 will be a couple grand north of that... I'm guessing 58.
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Not bad on the ZR1 kind of what I was guessing.
I'll hold my reservations on the GT500. If I was a betting man I'd say starting 60+, and in comparison they would be justified It's far from just a blower or pully upgrade to the current GT 500 which is just as upgraded over the GT.
I'll hold my reservations on the GT500. If I was a betting man I'd say starting 60+, and in comparison they would be justified It's far from just a blower or pully upgrade to the current GT 500 which is just as upgraded over the GT.
Last edited by Slims00ls1z28; 11/16/11 at 10:56 PM.
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Many mags do it on tests (C&D, R&T, Edmunds etc etc.)with cars like this where traction is obviously limited, they call it a roll out. They (other testers) did it with the Super Snake and GTR (and it had launch control) as well. Big deal who cares? Rolling start or spin and get a slower time it's advertising, its 12 inches. Bet the GT500 with quite a bit more hp will do the same, and I'd be willing to bet if the best results come from a "rolling start" or "roll out" they will be published as well. Don't act like it's something new in the testing world. Quite simply it is not.
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This was posted on another forum today.
Then there was this post right after![Big Grin](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Maybe it's just me, but this response from GM seems like the wimpy kid telling the tough kid "You only seem fast, because I'm so slow." They are pretty quick here to pat themselves on the back for setting the performance benchmark for Ford to keep up with. I think not. Ford and the Mustang have been outrunning Camaros as long as they've been around, and building awesome pony cars while they were sitting on the bench.
Their Post:
" Camaro Nation:
As you know, the blogs lit up with the announcement of the new 650-horsepower Mustang GT500, and I wanted to give you my perspective on the latest challenge from Dearborn.
The Mustang has been playing catch up since the moment the fifth-gen Camaro arrived in 2009. Since then, Camaro has been the best-selling sports car in America, indicating that consumers know which car offers the best performance, style and safety.
It is no coincidence that Mustang has introduced three 100-horsepower increases to keep pace with Camaro: First their V-6 was bumped to 305; then their V-8 went to 412, and now the GT500.
Even with the 100-hp increase, the 2013 GT500 will still not match the technology and sophistication of the 2012 Camaro ZL1.
The days of “no replacement for displacement,” are over, and it’s not enough to be fast in a straight line. With the Camaro ZL1, we set out to deliver integrated performance, and be equally good at acceleration, braking, grip, and turning. As you will soon see, that’s why the Camaro ZL1 will set the performance benchmark for the segment.
Our approach was to make every Camaro ZL1 fully track-capable, from the factory. As we announced today, the ZL1 Coupe will start at $54,995 with standard Magnetic Ride Control, standard Performance Traction Management, and standard track-capable equipment such as a rear-differential cooler, brake cooling ducts, and an engine and transmission cooler.
None of our customers will have to buy extra options – or modify their ZL1 – for track-day usage. That is not the case for the current GT500, or their new car.
For Mustang fans, you’re welcome. Clearly the Camaro has encouraged Ford to throw everything they can at us.
For Camaro fans, trust me, we are always listening to your feedback, and working hard to keep the Camaro in the lead.
Al O. "
Source: Camaro 5.com
Their Post:
" Camaro Nation:
As you know, the blogs lit up with the announcement of the new 650-horsepower Mustang GT500, and I wanted to give you my perspective on the latest challenge from Dearborn.
The Mustang has been playing catch up since the moment the fifth-gen Camaro arrived in 2009. Since then, Camaro has been the best-selling sports car in America, indicating that consumers know which car offers the best performance, style and safety.
It is no coincidence that Mustang has introduced three 100-horsepower increases to keep pace with Camaro: First their V-6 was bumped to 305; then their V-8 went to 412, and now the GT500.
Even with the 100-hp increase, the 2013 GT500 will still not match the technology and sophistication of the 2012 Camaro ZL1.
The days of “no replacement for displacement,” are over, and it’s not enough to be fast in a straight line. With the Camaro ZL1, we set out to deliver integrated performance, and be equally good at acceleration, braking, grip, and turning. As you will soon see, that’s why the Camaro ZL1 will set the performance benchmark for the segment.
Our approach was to make every Camaro ZL1 fully track-capable, from the factory. As we announced today, the ZL1 Coupe will start at $54,995 with standard Magnetic Ride Control, standard Performance Traction Management, and standard track-capable equipment such as a rear-differential cooler, brake cooling ducts, and an engine and transmission cooler.
None of our customers will have to buy extra options – or modify their ZL1 – for track-day usage. That is not the case for the current GT500, or their new car.
For Mustang fans, you’re welcome. Clearly the Camaro has encouraged Ford to throw everything they can at us.
For Camaro fans, trust me, we are always listening to your feedback, and working hard to keep the Camaro in the lead.
Al O. "
Source: Camaro 5.com
Then there was this post right after
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Insideline's description of it,
The term "rollout" might not be familiar, but it comes from the drag strip. The arrangement of the timing beams for drag racing can be confusing, primarily because the 7-inch separation between the "pre-stage" and "stage" beams is not the source of rollout. The pre-stage beam, which has no effect on timing, is only there to help drivers creep up to the starting position. Rollout comes from the 1-foot separation (11.5 inches, actually) between the point where the leading edge of a front tire "rolls in" to the final staging beam — triggering the countdown to the green light that starts the race — and the point where the trailing edge of that tire "rolls out" of that same beam, the triggering event that starts the clock. A driver skilled at "shallow staging" can therefore get almost a free foot of untimed acceleration before the clock officially starts, effectively achieving a rolling-start velocity of 3-5 mph and shaving the 0.3 second it typically takes to cover that distance off his elapsed time (ET) in the process.
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It should, GM's plan has been to offer a Camaro with few options for more a bit more than a comparable (V6 to V6, GT to SS, GT500 to ZL-1) base Mustang yet cheaper than a comparable fully loaded Mustang. Ford should be wary of out pacing the comparable Camaro's price by more than a few grand. If say a fully loaded GT500 commands a 10k premium over the ZL-1 then the ZL-1 is going to become a helluva deal (for 55k your getting all the coolers, 6 pot/4 pot brakes, and magneto suspension + IRS for the fanbois) a 65k GT500 even with 70 extra HP isnt going to be much of a deal. HP aside the ZL-1 and GT500 equipment lists are really close and with the magneto suspension and IRS tipped in the ZL-1's favor.
Last edited by bob; 11/23/11 at 08:28 PM.