Dude, you're driving 4-door Focus and you say that Camry is boring?

 

Guess what -- if you don't like it, you're probably not in Toyota's target market anyway.

You know what it reminds me of? The Mazda Millenia. Remember those? Big upside-down bathtub-looking things. But then whoever is looking to buy a Camry probably doesn't care about styling too much anyway. And this is practically the Lexus ES model from a few years ago rebadged. Very common for Lexus/Toyota and Infiniti/Nissan.

 

Zoran, why the personal attack? I simply made a comment that I found the Camry boring and you chose to turn it into a derogatory attack on my current vehicle selection. You don't know me or my personal situation and should avoid making personal insults in this or any forum.

 

You have an ST right Steve? I drove one the other day. Man can those things move!!!

 

Yes it's an ST. It moves pretty well for a small 4 cylinder sedan, nothing like my '93 Cobra however!! Unfortunately, I can't fit the entire family in the Cobra. I'm planning to install the Cosworth d-Power Level I kit which should help the HP deficit between the two cars.

 

So you still have the Cobra? Cool!

How much will the level I kit add. The ST's have a ton of tuning potential for what they are. That and in a 4-door style too!

 

Sorry man, I didn't mean to sound personal. Your Focus and base Camry have pretty much same MSRP (in fact, Focus is $100 more expensive), so I compared 2 vehicles.
By the way, do you really find Focus more fun that Camry? I drove both of them and neither one of them was fun to drive, but if I had to pick one I would go with Camry because its biggers and we all know how long Toyotas can last.

 

Yes, I still have the Cobra, she only has 25K on her. When I bought her 4 years ago, she only had 10K. Unfortunately, I may have to sell in order to buy a GT500 or Boss.

Reportedly the Level 1 kit adds 27 bhp. I hope to combine that with the Cosworth catback kit, throttle body and a few other support pieces. The goal is 200 bhp. I'm going to baseline the car so when I start adding parts I have an accurate measurement of the gain.

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Sorry man, I didn't mean to sound personal. Your Focus and base Camry have pretty much same MSRP (in fact, Focus is $100 more expensive), so I compared 2 vehicles.
By the way, do you really find Focus more fun that Camry? I drove both of them and neither one of them was fun to drive, but if I had to pick one I would go with Camry because its biggers and we all know how long Toyotas can last.

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Personally I found the ST much more sporty than a Camry plus I got a killer dealer and 0% financing. Additionally, I can mod the Focus, not much exists for a hopped up Camry. I can't leave any car stock, I always have to add my personal touch. Even my low mileage Cobra has few mods. No worries, thanks for your response

 

That would be one quick Focus! I love the handling of the ST. It's just so crisp yet refined. Can't wait to see what your numbers are after putting on the kit.

 

Thanks Andy, I'll let you know when I make those enhancements!!

 

well what with all the comments of it looking like the 6, ill take a mazdaspeed over that

i can see the similarities in the grille, but thats about it.

idk, its just kinda blando, but wateva, differnt strokes for different folks

 

I used to be a huge Toyota fan, but lately, their designs put me to sleep, and their arrogant "we will run the world" attitude annoys the pojies out of me.

The Camry is just plain Zzzzzzzzzzz....

I'm sure it will be very dependable though. You can most always count on Toyotas for that.

 

One of the reasons why I'm big fan of Toyota is ...

Take a look at red star's jersey and name of their sponsor

 

Man it's gotta be a pain to get the grass stains out of those shorts

 

This is one of the main reason i will never buy a toyota.

 

Mind you - to be completely fair - one could make the same argument about GM up until recently...or America...or Great Britain in the 19th century...or Rome 1200 years ago...or...well, you get the idea.