http://autos.aol.com/article/power/v...30170009990001

 

sounds like a pretty sick car. I dig it.

 

Come'on Lotto ticket...

 

Awesome, I like the Fiorano, but there are two items from that article that I find pretty interesting, it weighs 3850 lbs and costs $278,345, one would think for that kind of money, they could have built a lighter car (not that I really care).

 

with the performance that it has, I doubt ferrari cared that it weighed 3850.

 

True, but I gotta laugh when people clamor about how more plebian transportation keeps on getting heavier and how more common vehicle manufacturers refuse to use high tech materials to reduce weight yet here we have a company like few other manufacturers can afford to build a car that uses cutting edge materials for reduced weight, yet there it is, only a smidgen lighter than the GT500 and 300 pounds heavier than a GT.

 

Remember, Ferraris aren't sports cars anymore. They are luxury cars for fat, old businessmen and rappers now. I hate modern society...

 

11.2 1/4 mile and 71.2mph in the slalom.. man you sure have tough standards for a sports car.

 

No, it's not about performance. It's about manliness.

Look at the interior or a '62 Cobra 289 and come back and tell me about it.

 

lol manliness.

 

Manual transmission. Manual steering. Manual brakes. No door locks. No windows. No A/C, no heat, no radio, no roof.

The Ferrari has all of what a true, real sportscar SHOULDN'T have, and only a few things that it should.

 

I get what you were saying but the addition of things like power steering, power brakes, add all the more performance to the car.

The Cobra would be more a definnition of a street legal race car. but yet that race car gets destroyed by this non manly sports car.

 

Ha-ha, some of those "qualities" match the description of a beater Dodge Shadow convertible (no a/c, heater, radio, roof, and inoperable power windows) I saw on the local craigslist a month ago. So does that make it a sportscar?
Ferrari's 599 is more (luxo)GT with a serious sporting side. The 360 Challenge Stradale is more in line with what you are describing - no frills.
BTW, if the GT500 had the same level of content, it would weigh considerably more than the Ferrari - as it is now, it's not anywhere near it performance-wise.

 

I saw a 599 on the highway heading in the other direction a few weeks ago. Talk about a head-turner, it was simply gorgeous. I've always had a thing for the 612 Scaglietti, and the 599 reminds me a lot of that car, just a more streamlined version.

 

Power steering and brakes do nothing for performance. Power steering numbs road feel, the pump adds weight over the front end and gives another thing to overheat.

Power brakes limit you to a timid little camshaft and add clutter to the engine compartment. They do little or nothing to shorten stop distances, either.

Kids these days...

 

umm...anti lock brakes shorten stopping by a lot. just look at the stats of the viper before it had abs and after.

 

All right, all else aside I have heard this same basic statement more than once on this forum and it begs the question...what large amount of heavy luxury features do you think the 599 has that these other cars don't? Materials are better without question, but really nice leather weighs about what cheap leather does and possibly even a bit less than thick, cheap, pvc plastics do. And yes, the Ferrari has an IRS to the Mustangs SRA but I'm still not convinced a Control Blade design weighs much more than a SRA does...not to mention this isn't exactly a luxury feature. So, what else is there to add so much weight?

I mean, it isn't as if the 599 has reclining rear seats and a mini-fridge in the back.

 

For some reason I can't find a picture of a 62 Cobra. Perhaps it's because they didn't exist until a few years later? Just a little nit picking here but I get your point. Look at an interior photo of a 275GTB or a 365GTB-aka Daytona (both from around that era)-functional and uncluttered. Times and technology change. So this car weighs more and has more creature comforts than the old ones. It also delivers performance unheard of in those days. I think it's a good thing thing and while I prefer the styling of the two aforementioned Ferraris I think the new one is beautiful. Just wish I could afford one...

 

The in-car electronics, associated wiring, more sound-deadening material, and better carpeting come to mind...

 

You said POWER-assisted brakes, not ABS.

If you mean ABS, then yes, you're right and that I can justify