mr-mstng

Those aren't concepts, they are photoshop creations.

TomServo92

And they weren't created by anyone from GM either.

mmoonshot

well maybe so, but they are very sharp !

Faber

If GM released anything like those pics they would not be able to make them fast enough.

I have an 05 GT, and I would buy one.

that would be SO RAD!

matic

They're also based on the same platform as the Solstice and Sky, which means it's far too small for a Camaro. And, the kid who made those models didn't get the proportions right anyhow.

There is no Camaro. There will be no Camaro anytime soon, if at all. If there ever is a Camaro, it's five years away at minimum, and there will be no Firebird analogue. Additionally, there will be no RWD performance coupe from Chevy in the next four years for less than $40,000 or so. GM is in a bad position, delaying or possibly cancelling the Zeta platform, and having to rely on a rejiggered Sigma platform, which is going to be inherently expensive to produce. They won't be able to come in under the GTO on price.

63galaxie

If there is a Camaro possibility from Chevy, I bet they'll be looking at those photos for influence

matic

I doubt it. That design isn't feasible, sheetmetal cost would be nasty.

Personally, I think (and hope) they'll be avoiding retro. Keep the Camaro cues that survived through the ages (they're there, if you put each gen side by side you can easily see the progression), but give it a nice updated body, a little smaller (but not much) than the F-body.

Lalo

Look at the shape of the solctice and other weird pontiacs, and their prices. GM has the ability of doing it.
I personally hope they do go retro with it

Galaxie

I am sure the 300,000 people who would be unemployed share your enthusiasm

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Funny you mention Bob despising retro... how does he explain the HHR? He joined the company in that projects infancy and could have killed it before it became a future embarassment.

The Camaro doesn't need to be retro per se, it just doesn't have to be ugly.

Final5pt0

The Camaro doesn't need to be retro per se, it just doesn't have to be ugly.

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well its about time someone said that, with the last few camaors made with them bug eye headlights and boring body style its a wonder they died off. the 80's camaros were 10x's nice (i cant beleive i just said that). non mustang muscle car enthusiasts will buy up a rwd pontiac/chevy "pony" car like crazy. not everyones going to be a mustang fan, all it would take would be a sharp looking fast rwd sports car that SOMEWHAT resmbles in some way its heritage and itll fly off the lots. but then agian this is gm were talking bout here :bang:

mustangfun101

Calm down with your big letters....hurts my eyeballs this early in the morning. I don't think GM can pull it off at this time. The leadership is too conservative, look at the cars. Lutz did good with making the Pontiacs look better but they still aren't "excitement" as they advertise. Overall the guy has screwed things up for GM and I actually feel bad for the Camaro and Firebird folks.

htwag

The wheels won't make it to production. Still too curvy for me to make the link to 67-70 era Camaros. I loved the 94 Camaro vert - with the top down nothing on the road could match the profile. GM seems to have lost their way. I like all of Ford's products - first time in my life I didn't dislike at least one of products a car manufacturer made. There are no Chevys I like...well maybe the Corvette - even that seems too big. If the new Mustang does NOT display any long-term problems under the hood, then it becomes the new benchmark in pony cars.

GMconvert

Galaxie: Eminently good point about the HHR. I had forgotten that thing exists, and still don't know why it does. Even the SSR is retro, although that came before Maximum Bob's time. But the HHR...why spend the money on developing that thing? I jiss dun' get it.

But I completely agree -- any future Camaro-esque vehicle need not be retro as long as it's not ugly. I guess I'd just gotten so used to every non-retro GM offering being ugly, that I presumed retro would be the only way to guarantee something attractive.

sybidoc

Who cares if a car is "retro" if it's done well and is beautiful. There are certain curves and proportions and symmetries that are inherantly pleasing regardless if they're on a new or old platform. Ever hear of Marilyn Monroe or Ava Gardner? Their shapes, and the Mustangs, will always be pleasing to the eye. As bad as the new cars are, the 70's and 80's were 10 times worse. Those cars, like the Aztec, et,al, will always remain discordant, ugly pos's

mustangfun101

I agree, why develop the HHR at all when they are copying a design whos sales have been down the last two years running. GM is always a step behind.

38special

GM lost 2 billion dollars last qtr. How many hands will it take to stop the bleeding? One smash hit auto would do it.

muscleman

Zastava_101

Why would they build new Camaro? Other than late 1970s it was never selling well. Why build new one when Cobalt will sell a lot better? They don't need one and they won't build one. :nono: :nono: :nono:

Galaxie

The camaro was a strong seller well into the early 90's

If there is a demand, they will bring it back, simple as that.

The fact that the Mustang can sell out 190,000 units a year and has sold about 150,000 on average the last decade shows that with a decent product, there are good sales.

Zastava_101

Here are Camaro sales from 1990 until 1997.
1990: 83,089
1991: 100,838
1992: 70,007
1993: 39,103
1994: 119,799
1995: 122,725
1996: 61,362
1997: 54,972

Other than 1994 and 1995, it wasn't really strong seller.

By the way, how's your Galaxie project going? Are you gonna be done anytime soon?