TomServo92

This is the first time I've heard anyone from GM actually state they're considering a Camaro/Firebird type vehicle (source Autoweek.com):

Remember the rumors about a new Camaro in '07? Based on this, we won't see anything resembling a Camaro until at least 2010 or beyond (or ever with the problems GM is having).

68notch

With Lutz at the helm, the new Camaro will likely be some sort of crossover sport-ute.

Moosetang

"No no, a Miata-competitor! No, no, wait, An NSX competitor! Oh, I got it, an Arnage T comeptitor! darn it, people used to like my ideas"
-Putz :bang:

78Mach1

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only thing that will save the domestic automakers will be another musclecar war! and GM can't afford to not revive there pony car, the camero. With the Japanese building trucks and the popularity of there sedans GM, dodge and ford will suffer.

mustangfun101

I thought I heard a rumor that Lutz has had a leash put on him, he isn't the almighty approval guy anymore.

Final5pt0

its about time....i hope this "consideration" doesnt include bring over another aussi car, that is unless its somewhat exciting looking. 2010? thats far off, i honestly sympathize for firebird/camaro fans this is terrible that gm cant make even a decision on using a rwd platform.

mustangfun101

If they haven't learned and go the same road as the GTO then they deserve to go out of business. Stupid people shouldn't have that kind of control over that much money in the world economy.

Galaxie

Maybe GM will look at the sucess of the mustang and actually use the car as a benchmark to build a competitive Camaro

Maybe not

htwag

To be successful it has/it must match the '05 Mustang in styling and design links to the past. The GTO does not and nor does the new Charger.

These names evoke stong feelings and light up the emotional fuses unlike anything else. GM needs to do this smartly or fall further behind!

GMconvert

I agree with htwag, but unfortunately for The General I think it was Lutz himself who despises retro and has said he would never bow to it. I know a lot of people bash retro, but I think it can be done in a way that still progresses the brand image, and at this point in history, it seems to be what a lot of people want. Myself included. (Maybe liking retro cars is my way of protesting what in my opinion are the awful, terrible, ugly and bland new designs being touted by a lot of mainstream manufacturers these days.)

mmoonshot

I had in a round about way brought up this subject yesterday, while ranting about Fords screwed up ordering process, and the fact that I am personally sick of the price gouging, mis information, lack of information, and the excessive wait to spend my hard earned dough on the new 05 GT, enough of that, in regards to the Camaro, Chevy will have one for sale before 2010, there is already a rear wheel drive protype being tested, dont think for a second that you will not see Chevy's pony car again, it will be here, and it will be fastttt.

P.S. I am an avid Ford enthusiast, although I have owned every make of american Muscle, my first car was a 68 Plymouth Roadrunner, what a sleeper !, I have also owned several Mustangs, from the 60's and early 70's my favorite being my 70 fast back, in addittion, several Z-28s and a couple of trans ams...


The new Mustang is a modern classic, and I love the car, and will have one, if anyone feels like flaming me go ahead.

I will look for some pics of the camaro.

Lalo

that's the smartest thing I read Lutz say. But lets see where he goes with it.

And they HAVE to use the Mustang as a benchmark.

and GMConvert: I agree with you wholeheartedly. Most of today's desings are awful, terrible, ugly and bland

Fordracing200

GM is hopefully going down the tubes

mmoonshot

LOL...

Lalo

Then Ford would have no domestic competition, and that means no worries for Ford, which equals higher prices.

bob

Yeah, but most of the f-body loyalist dont want retro, they want some new mutation of camaro or firebird. The only retro they want begins with LS.

Vermillion98

What is the source of this information about a Camaro prototype being tested? Just a rumor? Camaro fans are doing a lot of wishful thinking, making 3-d models of Camaros they wish were being built, rumors of cars being built in secret, etc.

GM is trying to keep Camaro fans hanging on to the hope of a new Camaro by mentioning a new Mustang competitor, but so far they don't have anything, and with GM's financial troubles, it looks like it will be a long time before they will be able have a product to compete with the Mustang. They're just trying to keep the Camaro fans from defecting to the Mustang camp.

It's funny, the Camaro would never have existed in the first place if it wasn't for the Mustang being successful in the 60's, and if you compare the early Camaro to the early Mustang, its obvious GM built a Mustang clone to cash in on the ponycar craze.

It looks like the success of the '05 Mustang might make GM build a Mustang clone again once their financial troubles have been solved, although probably not with the name Camaro. But how many years down the road will it be? 5years? 10 years?

TomServo92

What is the source of this information about a Camaro prototype being tested? Just a rumor? Camaro fans are doing a lot of wishful thinking, making 3-d models of Camaros they wish were being built, rumors of cars being built in secret, etc.

GM is trying to keep Camaro fans hanging on to the hope of a new Camaro by mentioning a new Mustang competitor, but so far they don't have anything, and with GM's financial troubles, it looks like it will be a long time before they will be able have a product to compete with the Mustang. They're just trying to keep the Camaro fans from defecting to the Mustang camp.

It's funny, the Camaro would never have existed in the first place if it wasn't for the Mustang being successful in the 60's, and if you compare the early Camaro to the early Mustang, its obvious GM built a Mustang clone to cash in on the ponycar craze.

It looks like the success of the '05 Mustang might make GM build a Mustang clone again once their financial troubles have been solved, although probably not with the name Camaro. But how many years down the road will it be? 5years? 10 years?
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He's the same guy that posted there were multiple recalls on the Ford GT when a search of the NHTSA recall database yielded only one. Unless he provides some proof for what he posts, I wouldn't lend any credibility to it.

mmoonshot

What is the source of this information about a Camaro prototype being tested? Just a rumor? Camaro fans are doing a lot of wishful thinking, making 3-d models of Camaros they wish were being built, rumors of cars being built in secret, etc.

GM is trying to keep Camaro fans hanging on to the hope of a new Camaro by mentioning a new Mustang competitor, but so far they don't have anything, and with GM's financial troubles, it looks like it will be a long time before they will be able have a product to compete with the Mustang. They're just trying to keep the Camaro fans from defecting to the Mustang camp.

It's funny, the Camaro would never have existed in the first place if it wasn't for the Mustang being successful in the 60's, and if you compare the early Camaro to the early Mustang, its obvious GM built a Mustang clone to cash in on the ponycar craze.

It looks like the success of the '05 Mustang might make GM build a Mustang clone again once their financial troubles have been solved, although probably not with the name Camaro. But how many years down the road will it be? 5years? 10 years?
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Thank you, this is exactly my point, (It's funny, the Camaro would never have existed in the first place if it wasn't for the Mustang being successful in the 60's, and if you compare the early Camaro to the early Mustang, its obvious GM built a Mustang clone to cash in on the ponycar craze. )...it's coming boys..get ready !.. :angry:

mmoonshot

Check these concept car pics out !