Least safe cars for 2006
11/16/05, 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by DiamondBlue@November 16, 2005, 8:14 AM
Where it's designed has little to do with it. There are plenty of safe cars coming out of Japan, and plenty of unsafe cars designed in the US. It's a question of what the car is designed for. All these cars are designed to be small fuel efficient transportation and that's about it.
Keep in mind the Toyota they tested was without side airbags, which are optional. With them the car gets the second highest rating.
Where it is built can be a factor - I forget the car, believe it's a Ford/Mazda shared platform, same design, but one is built in Mexico, one in the US. The one in the US is a more dependable and safer vehicle from what I recall. Would have to research that a bit.
Saying that "designed in Japan" equals unsafe is baseless, no matter how often you repeat it.
Where it's designed has little to do with it. There are plenty of safe cars coming out of Japan, and plenty of unsafe cars designed in the US. It's a question of what the car is designed for. All these cars are designed to be small fuel efficient transportation and that's about it.
Keep in mind the Toyota they tested was without side airbags, which are optional. With them the car gets the second highest rating.
Where it is built can be a factor - I forget the car, believe it's a Ford/Mazda shared platform, same design, but one is built in Mexico, one in the US. The one in the US is a more dependable and safer vehicle from what I recall. Would have to research that a bit.
Saying that "designed in Japan" equals unsafe is baseless, no matter how often you repeat it.
11/16/05, 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by TomServo92@November 16, 2005, 2:38 PM
Where exactly did I state "designed in Japan" equals unsafe? Please point that out to me. The discussion was about safety which is a design issue - period. The fact is that the Mazda6 was designed in Japan, just as I stated. I guess you also missed where I stated I'd buy another Mazda6 in heartbeat. I've also stated in other threads that I'd buy another Acura so I don't have an anti-Japanese bias. Please don't put words in my mouth. :nono:
Where exactly did I state "designed in Japan" equals unsafe? Please point that out to me. The discussion was about safety which is a design issue - period. The fact is that the Mazda6 was designed in Japan, just as I stated. I guess you also missed where I stated I'd buy another Mazda6 in heartbeat. I've also stated in other threads that I'd buy another Acura so I don't have an anti-Japanese bias. Please don't put words in my mouth. :nono:
And Mark never said anything about the Mazda being a bad car because it was Japanese, I love the 6. Like he said, all of these cars on this list obviously have design issues.
11/16/05, 12:06 PM
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More results here http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx
11/16/05, 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by racerx@November 16, 2005, 3:09 PM
To be fair, it seems that most of the cars that faired rather poorly (in the side-impact tests at least) were tested WITHOUT the optional side-air bags. The IIHS should have done testing with the side airbags to be consistent with carst that got the better ratings. http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx
To be fair, it seems that most of the cars that faired rather poorly (in the side-impact tests at least) were tested WITHOUT the optional side-air bags. The IIHS should have done testing with the side airbags to be consistent with carst that got the better ratings. http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx
Side airbags are a HUGE benefit to any vehicle and most of the companies have them as a standalone option which is relatively inexpensive when you consider the difference they make.
11/16/05, 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by racerx@November 16, 2005, 1:09 PM
More results here http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx
More results here http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx
IMO, side curtain airbags ought to be standard on every vehicle.
Dang it! You edited just as replied! :bang:
11/16/05, 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by TomServo92@November 16, 2005, 3:23 PM
I understand what you're saying HOWEVER, a car that comes with the side curtain airbags standard is safer by default than one in which you have to add it as an option. In other words, they tested the base configuration of each car in order to the identify the inherent safety of each car tested. When I bought my Mazda 6, the side curtain airbags weren't on it. Was I any safer because they were added on other 6s? The answer to that is no.
IMO, side curtain airbags ought to be standard on every vehicle.
Dang it! You edited just as replied! :bang:
I understand what you're saying HOWEVER, a car that comes with the side curtain airbags standard is safer by default than one in which you have to add it as an option. In other words, they tested the base configuration of each car in order to the identify the inherent safety of each car tested. When I bought my Mazda 6, the side curtain airbags weren't on it. Was I any safer because they were added on other 6s? The answer to that is no.
IMO, side curtain airbags ought to be standard on every vehicle.
Dang it! You edited just as replied! :bang:
Yes, I agree completely with you Mark and I'm sure it will come to be soon. I was pleased to see the Explorer comes standard with SAB for 06
I think manufacturers are going to be pushed to do so sooner than later. I actually suggest them to customers. If it comes down to price I usually suggest they give up an unneccessary option for them.
11/16/05, 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by TomServo92@November 16, 2005, 1:38 PM
Where exactly did I state "designed in Japan" equals unsafe?
Where exactly did I state "designed in Japan" equals unsafe?
"The safety issue isn't about where it's made but where it was designed - Japan"
That certain implies "less safe", if not necessarily "unsafe", which I do agree is extrapolating, perhaps in error, your statement.
11/16/05, 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by DiamondBlue@November 16, 2005, 3:19 PM
Your statement:
"The safety issue isn't about where it's made but where it was designed - Japan"
That certain implies "less safe", if not necessarily "unsafe", which I do agree is extrapolating, perhaps in error, your statement.
Your statement:
"The safety issue isn't about where it's made but where it was designed - Japan"
That certain implies "less safe", if not necessarily "unsafe", which I do agree is extrapolating, perhaps in error, your statement.
The Mazda6 is made in the same place as the Mustang - AAI.
11/16/05, 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by 1999 Black 35th GT@November 16, 2005, 1:44 PM
Yeah, I'm kind of lost here too. I don't recall anyone saying anything about the side crash test for the Corolla either. This result was based on the rear crash test.
Yeah, I'm kind of lost here too. I don't recall anyone saying anything about the side crash test for the Corolla either. This result was based on the rear crash test.
Check out the link provided above, plenty of info there. Also note it says how the cars are "listed in order of performance in crash tests."
11/16/05, 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by TomServo92@November 16, 2005, 4:27 PM
My statement was in response to this statement from you:
Your statement implies that it's unsafe because it's built in the US in a Ford plant. Did I extrapolate, perhaps in error, your statement?
My statement was in response to this statement from you:
Your statement implies that it's unsafe because it's built in the US in a Ford plant. Did I extrapolate, perhaps in error, your statement?
11/16/05, 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by DiamondBlue@November 16, 2005, 3:29 PM
My statement implies it was built in the same place as the Mustang. It was a piece of trivia, not a safety statement.
My statement implies it was built in the same place as the Mustang. It was a piece of trivia, not a safety statement.
11/16/05, 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by DiamondBlue@November 16, 2005, 5:28 PM
This result is based on a combination of three crash tests: Front, Rear, Side.
Check out the link provided above, plenty of info there. Also note it says how the cars are "listed in order of performance in crash tests."
This result is based on a combination of three crash tests: Front, Rear, Side.
Check out the link provided above, plenty of info there. Also note it says how the cars are "listed in order of performance in crash tests."
I think the way Forbes is doing it is by adding the Frontal, side and rear and getting an overall score.
Also, unfortunatley, the majority of small car buyers purchase vehicles w/o SAB due to price.
11/16/05, 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by TomServo92@November 16, 2005, 4:34 PM
Then I offer my apologies for my part of the misunderstanding.
Then I offer my apologies for my part of the misunderstanding.
11/16/05, 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by DiamondBlue@November 16, 2005, 5:59 PM
And I'll offer mine for my error regarding your statement.
And I'll offer mine for my error regarding your statement.
11/16/05, 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by TomServo92@November 16, 2005, 8:49 PM
Yeah....let's all sing "Koom By Ya"
Yeah....let's all sing "Koom By Ya"
11/17/05, 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by future9er24@November 17, 2005, 12:57 AM
marshmallows? beer? im there!
marshmallows? beer? im there!
