GM Said to Study Shedding Saab, Saturn, Pontiac
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GM Said to Study Shedding Saab, Saturn, Pontiac
Just what I've been saying for some while now. This company needs to pare down DRAMATICALLY to survive in a rapidly adjusting global market.
All this company needs right now is Chevrolet and Cadillac (and grow Buick for Asia). Everything else is redundant.
All this company needs right now is Chevrolet and Cadillac (and grow Buick for Asia). Everything else is redundant.
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Saab make sense, but how can they sell Saturn and Pontiac? It's not like Saturn and Pontiac don't share anything with other GM vehicles and like they have their own factories.
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If Mec becomes a small-car brand and sheds the sable in favor of say a Mercury Ka it can make a case for itself. The longer it's just cloneland the worse off everyone is.
What's their love affair with GMC? Has to be the most nonsensical brand out there.
What's their love affair with GMC? Has to be the most nonsensical brand out there.
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But what good is it to offer the Euro cars ONLY at a Mercury dealer? Do you know how many fewer dealers there are? If they bring a Ka, or a Falcon here, it NEEDS to be and HAS to be as a Ford, PERIOD!!
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For as long as I can remember, Mercurys have always just been rebadged Fords with some added trim bits (with a few exceptions like the '90s Cougar).
Frankly, it didn't make much sense after 1978, and it makes NO sense now whatsoever. Unless Mercury is marketed as a whole different line of vehicles that fills legitimate holes in the Ford lineup, it's just useless.
And over at GM, that company needs to jettison Pontiac, Saab, Saturn and GMC. Any vehicles that are decent (i.e. Pontiac G8) can be brought into the Chevy fold. Make the G8 an Impala SS or something, I dunno. Why does this company need a Malibu, a G8, AND an Aura...?!?! WTF is the point of a Chevy Silverado and a GMC Sierra? Can someone explain that one to me?
"Hey boys, I got me a great idea! Since nobody is buyin' pickup trucks on account of the crap economy, let's maintain TWO separate divisions so that we can produce two versions of the identical truck!"
We all know GM's woes have been 50% self-inflicted over 35 years of bad decision making...and now the chickens have come home to roost. This could be the best thing that ever happened to the company. If it survives, it will almost certainly be a tighter, leaner, more efficient car maker.
Frankly, it didn't make much sense after 1978, and it makes NO sense now whatsoever. Unless Mercury is marketed as a whole different line of vehicles that fills legitimate holes in the Ford lineup, it's just useless.
And over at GM, that company needs to jettison Pontiac, Saab, Saturn and GMC. Any vehicles that are decent (i.e. Pontiac G8) can be brought into the Chevy fold. Make the G8 an Impala SS or something, I dunno. Why does this company need a Malibu, a G8, AND an Aura...?!?! WTF is the point of a Chevy Silverado and a GMC Sierra? Can someone explain that one to me?
"Hey boys, I got me a great idea! Since nobody is buyin' pickup trucks on account of the crap economy, let's maintain TWO separate divisions so that we can produce two versions of the identical truck!"
We all know GM's woes have been 50% self-inflicted over 35 years of bad decision making...and now the chickens have come home to roost. This could be the best thing that ever happened to the company. If it survives, it will almost certainly be a tighter, leaner, more efficient car maker.
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As far as GM goes. Yes Buick will also fall by the wayside. Already being geared for the Asian market anyway. And so will go HUMMER and the GMC Trucks.
Now Back to the Mercury Question. In the not to distant future, and as a matter of fact, has already started, FORD, LINCOLN & MERCURY will become ONE Dealership. And with that, the Euro platforms WILL be the New Mercury.
Now Back to the Mercury Question. In the not to distant future, and as a matter of fact, has already started, FORD, LINCOLN & MERCURY will become ONE Dealership. And with that, the Euro platforms WILL be the New Mercury.
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Ka: Merc
Fiesta: Ford
Euro Fusion CUV: Merc
Focus: Ford
Focus Cabriolet: Merc
C-Max: Merc
Mondeo: Ford (Merge with Fusion)
Falcon is it's own issue...
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For as long as I can remember, Mercurys have always just been rebadged Fords with some added trim bits (with a few exceptions like the '90s Cougar).
Frankly, it didn't make much sense after 1978, and it makes NO sense now whatsoever. Unless Mercury is marketed as a whole different line of vehicles that fills legitimate holes in the Ford lineup, it's just useless.
Not sure how they would sell Pontiac and Saturn. The G8 is produced at a Holden plant in Australia. The Solstice, Sky and Opel GT are all basically the same car. Most of Saturn are rebadged Opels. Would they give the buyers the rights to produce everything that is currently produced by those divisions? Would they let someone else have rights to produce the Zeta platform (the G8s and Camaros platform)? Or would they just be selling them the Pontiac/Saturn name?
And over at GM, that company needs to jettison Pontiac, Saab, Saturn and GMC. Any vehicles that are decent (i.e. Pontiac G8) can be brought into the Chevy fold. Make the G8 an Impala SS or something, I dunno. Why does this company need a Malibu, a G8, AND an Aura...?!?! WTF is the point of a Chevy Silverado and a GMC Sierra? Can someone explain that one to me?
"Hey boys, I got me a great idea! Since nobody is buyin' pickup trucks on account of the crap economy, let's maintain TWO separate divisions so that we can produce two versions of the identical truck!"
We all know GM's woes have been 50% self-inflicted over 35 years of bad decision making...and now the chickens have come home to roost. This could be the best thing that ever happened to the company. If it survives, it will almost certainly be a tighter, leaner, more efficient car maker.
Frankly, it didn't make much sense after 1978, and it makes NO sense now whatsoever. Unless Mercury is marketed as a whole different line of vehicles that fills legitimate holes in the Ford lineup, it's just useless.
Not sure how they would sell Pontiac and Saturn. The G8 is produced at a Holden plant in Australia. The Solstice, Sky and Opel GT are all basically the same car. Most of Saturn are rebadged Opels. Would they give the buyers the rights to produce everything that is currently produced by those divisions? Would they let someone else have rights to produce the Zeta platform (the G8s and Camaros platform)? Or would they just be selling them the Pontiac/Saturn name?
And over at GM, that company needs to jettison Pontiac, Saab, Saturn and GMC. Any vehicles that are decent (i.e. Pontiac G8) can be brought into the Chevy fold. Make the G8 an Impala SS or something, I dunno. Why does this company need a Malibu, a G8, AND an Aura...?!?! WTF is the point of a Chevy Silverado and a GMC Sierra? Can someone explain that one to me?
"Hey boys, I got me a great idea! Since nobody is buyin' pickup trucks on account of the crap economy, let's maintain TWO separate divisions so that we can produce two versions of the identical truck!"
We all know GM's woes have been 50% self-inflicted over 35 years of bad decision making...and now the chickens have come home to roost. This could be the best thing that ever happened to the company. If it survives, it will almost certainly be a tighter, leaner, more efficient car maker.
This should be the new Chevrolet line-up:
Aveo (sub-compact)
Cobalt (compact)
Malibu (mid-size)
Impala (full-size; scrap the current version and rebadge the G8, the Impala should be a full-size RWD sedan again. Not to mention that the G8 GXP would mop the floor with the current Impala SS)
Camaro
Solstice/Sky (it would be nice to keep this car around)
Corvette
Volt (hybrid)
Equinox (mid-size CUV)
Traverse (full-size CUV)
Tahoe/Suburban (full-size SUV)
Colorado (mid-size truck)
Silverado (full-size truck)
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As far as GM goes. Yes Buick will also fall by the wayside. Already being geared for the Asian market anyway. And so will go HUMMER and the GMC Trucks.
Now Back to the Mercury Question. In the not to distant future, and as a matter of fact, has already started, FORD, LINCOLN & MERCURY will become ONE Dealership. And with that, the Euro platforms WILL be the New Mercury.
Now Back to the Mercury Question. In the not to distant future, and as a matter of fact, has already started, FORD, LINCOLN & MERCURY will become ONE Dealership. And with that, the Euro platforms WILL be the New Mercury.
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Where did I say "ONLY at Merc"? Ford of Europe has ten unique models, seven of which are smaller than a Mondeo. Rather than having all those models slot into Ford brand here, take the lower-volume offerings and plug them into this market with Merc badges. Here's how I'd break it down the cars:
Ka: Merc
Fiesta: Ford
Euro Fusion CUV: Merc
Focus: Ford
Focus Cabriolet: Merc
C-Max: Merc
Mondeo: Ford (Merge with Fusion)
Falcon is it's own issue...
Ka: Merc
Fiesta: Ford
Euro Fusion CUV: Merc
Focus: Ford
Focus Cabriolet: Merc
C-Max: Merc
Mondeo: Ford (Merge with Fusion)
Falcon is it's own issue...
Salesperson: "Hello, how may I assist you today"?
Customer: "I would like to see the new Euro Focus you carry now?"
SP: "Be glad to, follow me (walking to row of Focuses)?"
Cus: "These are nice, but do you have the convertible?"
SP: "Sorry, but that is sold at Mercury dealers, I don't carry them?"
Cus: "Mercury dealers? Why did Ford do that? You sell the Focus, but not the converible version? Thats very odd?
SP: I know, tell me about it"
Cus: "Sorry to hear. That was the car I really wanted. I thank you for your time"?
LOST SALE!!
See what I mean? This won't be an isolated incident. It would happen ALL THE TIME!! Ford needs another convertible other than the Mustang, and this is it! And not every Ford dealer has a Mercury franchise. Around me, there are only 3 Mercury stores in a 25 mile radius.
Another thing, the C-Max as a Mercury? Remember the last time they had a minivan, the Monterey? Didn't sell a lick!! I'm telling you, you keep them AS Fords!! You have more dealers to sell them at, and hence more product can get out there for people to buy!
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Exactly. I see no realistic benefit to keeping Mercury. All you need is a diverse range of quality Fords and then keep refining Lincoln (like GM is doing with Caddy).
FORD CARS >>
-Ka (too small for North American tastes...so far)
-Global Fiesta (a small handful of variants: hatches, sedan, performance model)
-Global Focus (a small handful of variants: hatches, sedan, convertible coupe, performance model)
-Fusion: (will "fuse" with Mondeo in a couple of years anyway, but likely to offer regular, performance and hybrid models)
-Taurus (full size sedan with several trim levels and perhaps an SHO version)
-Mustang
Right now, that should be all the cars Ford needs.
FORD CARS >>
-Ka (too small for North American tastes...so far)
-Global Fiesta (a small handful of variants: hatches, sedan, performance model)
-Global Focus (a small handful of variants: hatches, sedan, convertible coupe, performance model)
-Fusion: (will "fuse" with Mondeo in a couple of years anyway, but likely to offer regular, performance and hybrid models)
-Taurus (full size sedan with several trim levels and perhaps an SHO version)
-Mustang
Right now, that should be all the cars Ford needs.
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See what I mean? This won't be an isolated incident. It would happen ALL THE TIME!! Ford needs another convertible other than the Mustang, and this is it! And not every Ford dealer has a Mercury franchise. Around me, there are only 3 Mercury stores in a 25 mile radius.
Another thing, the C-Max as a Mercury? Remember the last time they had a minivan, the Monterey? Didn't sell a lick!! I'm telling you, you keep them AS Fords!! You have more dealers to sell them at, and hence more product can get out there for people to buy!
Another thing, the C-Max as a Mercury? Remember the last time they had a minivan, the Monterey? Didn't sell a lick!! I'm telling you, you keep them AS Fords!! You have more dealers to sell them at, and hence more product can get out there for people to buy!
I could easily argue that the face-plant Windstar did at the end of it's life cycle is evidence that Ford shouldn't have minivans either. In fact, it doesn't. CUVs are marketed differently and if accompanied by other small-car products C-Max could have a good run as a Merc. Nobody thought the Mazda5 was a good idea after the MPV bombed, but it's Done Rather Well and doesn't feel out of place on the lot (I know, I used to work at one).