GM had the right idea!!!
5/22/15, 10:00 AM
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Don't look at SOME mfg's look at the overall trend. The Mercedes 2.0T in the CLA45 pumps out 365 HP (and it beats the 2015 Camaro SS and the 2015 Mustang GT from 0-60). Volvo's new 2.0T with a combination of standard and electric turbo pushes 450-HP. BMW has replaced the in-line 6 with a boosted 4 in some models and VW (the largest or second largest, depending on whether you ask Toyota fans, automotive company in the world) has stated that their engine line-up may be all turbo by 2018. (Source: Detroit News). (Currently they only have 3 N/A motors still available.)
A turbo 4 avoids displacement tax in certain European and Asian Markets and the boosted 4 has an easier time passing US EPA emissions, as well as offering engineers a smaller footprint to shove into the engine compartment making it easier for the design team to incorporate the motor and the mandated crumple zones into the style of the vehicle.
Also, N/A motors cannot match the HP/L output of forced induction motors. The new 5.2 FPC in the Mustang GT350 is rumored to put out 100-HP/L--impressive for a N/A V8. But, the 2.0T in the Mercedes with mild boost puts out 182.5-HP/L. The Volvo 2.0T puts out 225-HP/L. And even more power is on tap.
Once you start looking at the results of extreme boost, you realize just how much FI tips the scales away from larger N/A engines and toward smaller displacement boosted engines. The 2.0T in the Fiesta GRC (not a street motor) is tuned to put out 300-HP/L and has been tuned (by Mountune) to generate 450-HP/L. Cosworth also served up a 2.0T with 300-HP/L.
A turbo 4 avoids displacement tax in certain European and Asian Markets and the boosted 4 has an easier time passing US EPA emissions, as well as offering engineers a smaller footprint to shove into the engine compartment making it easier for the design team to incorporate the motor and the mandated crumple zones into the style of the vehicle.
Also, N/A motors cannot match the HP/L output of forced induction motors. The new 5.2 FPC in the Mustang GT350 is rumored to put out 100-HP/L--impressive for a N/A V8. But, the 2.0T in the Mercedes with mild boost puts out 182.5-HP/L. The Volvo 2.0T puts out 225-HP/L. And even more power is on tap.
Once you start looking at the results of extreme boost, you realize just how much FI tips the scales away from larger N/A engines and toward smaller displacement boosted engines. The 2.0T in the Fiesta GRC (not a street motor) is tuned to put out 300-HP/L and has been tuned (by Mountune) to generate 450-HP/L. Cosworth also served up a 2.0T with 300-HP/L.
I understand the reasoning behind the turbo motors and you have some good info to support it. However, I don't live in Europe and I prefer an all motor engine without boost.
5/22/15, 04:06 PM
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You all arnt getting it. It is not the Auto manufactures. It is the idiots in the Government. It's called CAFE standards. The Pres does not like Internal combustion cars. The rest of the world has Gas prices 2 to 4 times ours. These smaller engines are to make sure that the Manufactures meet the CAFE requirement so they do not get fined. Look at all the other performance cars there is a Gas Guzzlers tax. SO they are trying to give the public a choice. Would anyt one buy a performance car with a 4 Cylinder 120 HP? No Unless it was 3/4 the weight of our cars now.
The car companies would love to have hi po V8 everywhere.
For Me I'll Take a V8 any day of the week. Go look at a 4 cylinder turbo with 100K on it.
The car companies would love to have hi po V8 everywhere.
For Me I'll Take a V8 any day of the week. Go look at a 4 cylinder turbo with 100K on it.
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