Don't you agree , these 2 beasts of trucks from the rear look very similar from the rear, minus some subtle differences.

Matt

 

Most of the trucks looks similar from the rear. You don't have a lot of space to work with.

 

pick-up is a pick-up, what is there on the back? tailgate and lights......

 

A pick-up is a pick-up?! :shock:

How dare you!

There are Ford Pick-ups . . . . .then every body else!

 

HOW DARE YOU COMPARE HIGH QAULITY FORD PRODUCTS TO JUNK IMPORTS!!!!?? :shock: :bang: :angry:



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NO, the only real pick-up has a ford emblem on the back

 

HOW DARE YOU COMPARE HIGH QAULITY FORD PRODUCTS TO JUNK IMPORTS!!!!?? :shock: :bang: :angry:
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You gotta be kidding. I know you're only 14 years old, but once you start driving you'll realize that no one can build quality cars like Japanese. I like Ford too, but you gotta admit that no one can biild high quality cars like Toyota, Honda or Nissan. I think Focus alone had more recalls than all Toyotas and Nissans together. Ford recently had recall on F-Series. I don't remember what the problem was, but it could cause vehicle to start on fire. Is that best truck in N. America? Once you start driving you'll realize that once you buy Japanese car they will last forever. I can't say same thing about American cars. I have in the family 2 domestic cars (1997 Dodge Intrepid 3.5L and 2000 Ford Mustang 3.8L) and 1 import (1994 Toyota Camry 3.0L). Camry is waaaaaay better than both Intrepid and Mustang, even though it have more miles than Intrepid and Mustang TOGETHER.

 

You gotta be kidding. I know you're only 14 years old, but once you start driving you'll realize that no one can build quality cars like Japanese. I like Ford too, but you gotta admit that no one can biild high quality cars like Toyota, Honda or Nissan. I think Focus alone had more recalls than all Toyotas and Nissans together. Ford recently had recall on F-Series. I don't remember what the problem was, but it could cause vehicle to start on fire. Is that best truck in N. America? Once you start driving you'll realize that once you buy Japanese car they will last forever. I can't say same thing about American cars. I have in the family 2 domestic cars (1997 Dodge Intrepid 3.5L and 2000 Ford Mustang 3.8L) and 1 import (1994 Toyota Camry 3.0L). Camry is waaaaaay better than both Intrepid and Mustang, even though it have more miles than Intrepid and Mustang TOGETHER.
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with statements like that, why arent u on a camry forum? mustangs are much better. The problem retained to 99-01 F-150s had cruise control wiring issues which would cause the vehicle to catch fire when parked, it has been fixed. Andy knows all about Toyotas "high Qaulity"............just ask em

 

with statements like that, why arent u on a camry forum? mustangs are much better. The problem retained to 99-01 F-150s had cruise control wiring issues which would cause the vehicle to catch fire when parked, it has been fixed. Andy knows all about Toyotas "high Qaulity"............just ask em
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That wasn't 99-01 F150, it was current generation of F150.
For the comment "Mustangs are much better then Camry", how would you know? Did you ever owned either one of them? What am I saying, you're not even old enough to drive. I have both Mustang and Camry in the family and I know which one have better quality and which one will last longer. Mustang is more powerfull and more fun to drive, but when it comes to quality no one can build better vehicle than Toyota, Honda and/or Nissan. Prices of used cars tell everything about car. Why do you think Toyota Camry lose less value in 3 or 4 years than Ford Taurus do in 1 or 2 years? Truth ain't pretty my friend. Do you really think that domestic cars are high quality and imports are low quality?

 

That wasn't 99-01 F150, it was current generation of F150.
For the comment "Mustangs are much better then Camry", how would you know? Did you ever owned either one of them? What am I saying, you're not even old enough to drive. I have both Mustang and Camry in the family and I know which one have better quality and which one will last longer. Mustang is more powerfull and more fun to drive, but when it comes to quality no one can build better vehicle than Toyota, Honda and/or Nissan. Prices of used cars tell everything about car. Why do you think Toyota Camry lose less value in 3 or 4 years than Ford Taurus do in 1 or 2 years? Truth ain't pretty my friend. Do you really think that domestic cars are high quality and imports are low quality?
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According to the NHTSA recall database, the Camry has had seven safety recalls in the last four years (2002 - 2005). Would you like to guess how many the Mustang had in the same time period?

 

Click Here

Select a year, make, and then model and you'll get all recalls.

You're not trying to say that Ford have better quality than Toyota ... are you?

 

Those are TSBs on the Mustang, not safety recalls. Safety recalls are much more serious than a tech service bulletin. At any rate, the NHTSA database is THE OFFICIAL source of recall data, not Alldata.

The point I'm trying to make is that Toyota isn't the end-all-be-all of quality that some people (particularly the media) think they are. If a Ford has one safety recall, it's plastered all over the front page. But has anyone heard about SEVEN safety recalls in four years on the Camry? No, because the media rarely reports recalls for Toyota.

BTW, if you go back one more year (2001), there are two more safety recalls on the Camry. That makes NINE in FIVE years, nearly two per year on average.

 

Those are TSBs on the Mustang, not safety recalls. Safety recalls are much more serious than a tech service bulletin. At any rate, the NHTSA database is THE OFFICIAL source of recall data, not Alldata.

The point I'm trying to make is that Toyota isn't the end-all-be-all of quality that some people (particularly the media) think they are. If a Ford has one safety recall, it's plastered all over the front page. But has anyone heard about SEVEN safety recalls in four years on the Camry? No, because the media rarely reports recalls for Toyota.

BTW, if you go back one more year (2001), there are two more safety recalls on the Camry. That makes NINE in FIVE years, nearly two per year on average.
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I have no reason not to beleive you so I'm gonna take your word for it. But this wasn't about security features, it was about quality of cars. I mean, how can anyone say "HOW DARE YOU COMPARE HIGH QAULITY FORD PRODUCTS TO JUNK IMPORTS!!!!??" High quality Ford products? Junk imports? We all know Japanese imports can last forever. That's the truth, weather we like it or not.

 

I have no reason not to beleive you so I'm gonna take your word for it. But this wasn't about security features, it was about quality of cars. I mean, how can anyone say "HOW DARE YOU COMPARE HIGH QAULITY FORD PRODUCTS TO JUNK IMPORTS!!!!??" High quality Ford products? Junk imports? We all know Japanese imports can last forever. That's the truth, weather we like it or not.
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First off, we're talking about safety recalls, not security. Safety recalls speak volumes about the quality of cars since it refers to a defect in the design that is so bad, it puts the safety of the occupants at risk. That being said, Ford has had their share of safety recalls, as has Toyota, Honda, and Nissan but you rarely hear anything about them. IMO, the domestics (especially Ford) are treated differently in the media than the foreign owned brands.

FYI, I've owned foreign brands. I owned an Acura prior to the Mazda and would buy another one, even though I had several problems with it. I know that all brands have problems, not just Ford. What bothers me are the ones that swear that Toyota's never have problems and the domestics aren't even close in quality. The NHTSA database says otherwise.

 

I don't care what NHTSA said, I only care what my personal experience said. Only domestic cars I would buy in the future is something with V8 because they are good. Not another V6 (enough problems with Intrepid and soon Mustang) or even worse - not another 4-cyl (enough problems with Escort). Safety features have nothing to do with quality of engine. You can't compare Ford with Toyota because simply Toyota is waaaaaaay better. Is Taurus better than Camry? Is Focus better than Corrolla? Is Crown Victoria better than Avalon? I don't think so.

 

What do you mean by "quality"? This word is tossed around a lot and is pretty vague. Do you mean number of cup holders? The thickness of the carpet? The width of the gaps of the trim pieces on the A-pillar? The way the interior was assembled?
This kind of stuff is subjective.

I have two relatively late-model Fords and I find the assembly quality is just fine, straight seams, looks nice to me etc. However, I remember reading a road test somewhere on the same year F150 as I have and they were criticizing the width of the gap between the A-pillar trim and the dash as being too wide and said it was a sign of poor quality. WTF?

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Resale value tells you the popularity of the car, not necessarily how many problems or defects it had. Look at Mercedes. Some of their models have LOW rankings on the JD Power Dependibility Study :

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and have HIGH resale values. Buicks, Cadillacs, and Lincolns score highly on Initial Quality but have lower resale values.

 

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WOW, Zoran . . .tell us how you really feel!

I'm not going to get into semantics with you over Toyota vs. Ford. You have your opinions and data, and I have mine. Which is cool. I will say I've owned 10 various Ford, Lincoln, Mercury products over tha past 14 years, and never had a problem with any of them. I have 210K miles on my Explorer . . .and have not had ANY problems with her to date.

There was a article somewhere (can't remember where) that stated a key reason some imports outshine there domestic competitors in vehicle quality (and in the public perception) is because owners of import bands are more likely to take their vehicles to the dealership for routine service. Not sure of the validty of the article, but it does make sense.

 

Resale value tells you the popularity of the car, not necessarily how many problems or defects it had. Look at Mercedes. Some of their models have LOW rankings on the JD Power Dependibility Study :

Mercedes Article

and have HIGH resale values. Buicks, Cadillacs, and Lincolns score highly on Initial Quality but have lower resale values.
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When I said quality I meant how long can engine last. Intrepid started with problems at around 50,000 miles. Camry currently have 120,000 miles and its still running very strong. Mustang started with problems at only 20,000 miles.
Popularity have very little affect on used car value. Taurus was very popular and best selling car from 1992 until 1996. Yet, Accords and Camrys from that period are worth a lot more.
Mercedes isn't what it used to be. I heard a lot of people complaining about Mercedes. In Europe, Lexus already took place that Mercedes had. Watch Car and Driver comparison tests. Japanese car almost always win. Just watch when they compare luxury cars like Jaguar, BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Lexus. Lexus always win.

 

You'd better care what NHTSA has to say about it. One of the recalls on the Camry was for a defective throttle cable that would cause the throttle to stick in the open position. If I'm not mistaken, that would be part of the engine, would it not? What about the sludge issue in the Lexus engines that forced Lexus to finally replace all the affected engines but only after a class-action lawsuit was threatened. What about the Honda's engine fire issues with the CR-V? Honda tried to blame it on incorrectly installed oil filters leaking oil onto the exhaust system. NHTSA didn't buy it and is continuing the investigation.

 

That wasn't 99-01 F150, it was current generation of F150.
For the comment "Mustangs are much better then Camry", how would you know? Did you ever owned either one of them? What am I saying, you're not even old enough to drive. I have both Mustang and Camry in the family and I know which one have better quality and which one will last longer. Mustang is more powerfull and more fun to drive, but when it comes to quality no one can build better vehicle than Toyota, Honda and/or Nissan. Prices of used cars tell everything about car. Why do you think Toyota Camry lose less value in 3 or 4 years than Ford Taurus do in 1 or 2 years? Truth ain't pretty my friend. Do you really think that domestic cars are high quality and imports are low quality?
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no, it was 99-01 it was NOT current F-150, i am not deaf nor blind, i no which trucks it was. and my uncle had a toyota camry and a Dodge startus and he beat the shi* out of both of them in NYC in daily driving, and he said the Toyota was too slow, and it had too many problems, he loved the stratus, and FORd has much higher qaulity, ever been to truck pulls? my uncle beats the **** outta his 02 Blown F-150 and it still hasnt blown up, with 9psi at 6500rpm on the stock block :shock: without a tune

 

You'd better care what NHTSA has to say about it. One of the recalls on the Camry was for a defective throttle cable that would cause the throttle to stick in the open position. If I'm not mistaken, that would be part of the engine, would it not? What about the sludge issue in the Lexus engines that forced Lexus to finally replace all the affected engines but only after a class-action lawsuit was threatened. What about the Honda's engine fire issues with the CR-V? Honda tried to blame it on incorrectly installed oil filters leaking oil onto the exhaust system. NHTSA didn't buy it and is continuing the investigation.
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Exactly, well said