you sir have a wonderful collection im so excited to come see this on the 18th

 

That's me driving 1967 Ferrari P 3/4 0846.

Thanks and Best 2 All

 

0864, amazing, how long was the restore on that? Last I heard it was discarded after a fire. Amazing collection by the way. Ford GT MK IV, Ferrari P3/4, and a Ferrari P4. Incredible.









Peter

 

Here's the short version on 0846:

Controversy around chassis no. 0846

One of the original cars, 0846, which was built as a P3 by Ferrari in 1966 and modified by Ferrari in December 1966 to accept a P4 engine while retaining it's P3 chassis and nose, was said to be totaled in a racing accident and discarded afterwards. Another is in a French automobile museum, while yet another is held by a Canadian collector, and the fourth (owned by American Walter Medlin) was set to be auctioned off in March 2005 to pay for back taxes before the owner came up with US$3 million to protect it.
Recently the P3/4 that was thought to be destroyed resurfaced in the possession of exotic car collector and enthusiast James Glickenhaus, the former movie director and stock exchange magnate. When he bought it, both he and the person he bought it from thought it was a replica chassis. After removing 1000 rivets, disassembling everything, stripping the chassis, researching the Ferrari build sheets and comparing the frame with 412P 0844, 412P 0850, 412P 0854, P4 0856, and P4 replica chassis 0900, 0900a, and 0900c he discovered that the car he had bought contained approximately 80+% of the original chassis of 0846.
"After Le Mans 1967 0846 was returned to the Ferrari factory where it was deconstructed, investigated and scrapped. Years later, James Glickenhaus acquired remains of 0846, and with help from Ferrari S.p.A. who recast suspension uprights, commissioned Sal Barone, Alberto Pedretti, Bob Wallace and John Hajduk Jr. to restore 0846 to original specifications." - XVII Giro di Sicilia Official Program In an email dated 6/10/2005 Joanne Marshall of Ferrari S.p.A. wrote: "We confirm that, as far as our factory records are concerned, the chassis in question (0846) was totally written off in 1967 after the Le Mans incident."
Glickenhaus has never disputed this but believes that the remains of 0846, including 80+% of its original chassis survived and that those and other remains of 0846 are currently in the car that he owns.
The following link [1] explains the basis for Glickenhaus' beliefs. This debate [2] has raged throughout 2004 among various Ferrari enthusiasts.
A letter from Ferrari S.p.A., dated September 29, 2004, Subject: P3/4 Chassis no. 0846:
Dear Mr. Glickenhaus, We wish to thank you for the extensive dossier you have sent regarding the above mentioned vehicle that as confirmed on our letter dated October 5th, we have examined in detail. The car was built on February 1966 as a P3 version and during its racing period, officially managed by the Factory, it went though several modifications in order to race the 24 hours of Daytona in 1967 as a P3/4. We also confirm that, as reported in your dossier, the car caught fire during the 24 hours of Le Mans. It was then totally dismantled and because of the extended damages detected, the factory decided not to perform any repair and to write off the chassis no. 0846. If some of the remaining components such as engine and gearbox were considered as possible spare parts, the chassis, because of its racing history and the fire damages suffered, was definitively scrapped. Therefore eventual pieces retrieved from the trash container should not have been used to rebuild or to revival a car which was written off, if this is the case. We all would like to see forever these glorious pieces but unfortunately the chassis no. 0846 had a sad conclusion. Yours faithfully, Ferrari Classiche, Umberto Masoni" This letter confirms that 0846's chassis was written off and scrapped, not melted into oblivion. For many years this is ALL and EXCATLY what Glickenhaus posited happened: That his car contains 80+% of the chassis remains of P 3/4 0846 among other original parts. He's never disputed that as far a Ferrari is concerned 0846 was written off/scrapped and under Ferrari's authentication definitions his car could not be authenticated by them. Glickenhaus is not the one who retrieved the chassis remains of 0846 "from the trash container" and used them to "to rebuild or to revival a car which was written off..." but he was the one who discovered exactly where the chassis remains of 0846 wound up and to insure that Umberto's wish: "We all would like to see forever these glorious pieces..." remains possible.
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In a related development Glickenhaus, has commissioned Pininfarina to build a modern Homage to the Great Ferrrai Sports Racing Cars such as the 250 LM, 330 P 3/4, 512 S, 312P and 333sp on the last new unregistered US spec. Enzo Chassis. This new vehicle will retain the Enzo's drive-train, chassis, and vin #. The first real photo's of P 4/5 and an in depth article about it will appear in the September 2006 issue of Car and Driver. The "photos" previously published in AutoWeek and Octane are not accurate and are far from what P 4/5 looks like. P 4/5 will unveil at Pebble Beach this



Here's the long one:

http://www.glickenhaus.com/jim/project.pdf

 

Thanks for that, very informative. Any chance we'll be seeing her at Pebble?

Like I said, it'd be amazing to see the Ford and your other cars in the metal.



Peter

 

Just a question out of curiosity. How'd you wind up at The Mustang Source? Quite small in comparison to other boards I've seen you frequent.



Peter

 

It came up when I googled P 4/5

Best

 

Well I'm glad you decided to stop by.



Peter

 

Just finished reading through the press release, and the pdf. mentioned above. Fascinating.



Peter

 

James I gotta say mate I wasn't to enthused with this car until I looked at it on Serious wheels a couple days ago. But now I love it. I might have done a slightly differet take on the exhaust pipes but that's very minor Over all I think this is the car the Enzo should have been. This car says Ferrari! The Enzo in my opinion is just ugly. This has style and grace. I'm glad you got them to bring it into this world! And great to have you on this board!!! please stick around we'd love to have your input here. So a big welcome from the resident Dreamer!
Linkage http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-200...ininfarina.htm

And thank you for posting the history of 0846!

Now my question for you is are you gonna let the Stig take it around the Top Gear test tracK?

 

I dunno, since I saw the Stig take the CCX off the track... he doesn't seem too trust worthy with a three-million plus dollar car. And also, I don't believe that the whole purpose of this car to be an all-out performer or else it would have been much more modified under the hood than the Enzo.



Peter

 

Alright, so I was thinking about the P4/5 and I just can't see why you would put a million dollars down to buy the Enzo, then modify it so far that you are basically only left with the drivetrain untouched. Wouldn't it have been more cost efficient to just build the car up from scratch? Might seem to be a stupid question, but it seems as though you haven't really used much from the Enzo, and you are getting rid of the majority of it. I mean, other than the fact that it amazes people that under the new skin it is still an Enzo, I can't see real purpose for buying the Enzo instead of just making your own chassis from the million dollars you didn't spend on the original car.

Was this for the "wow" factor?
Was this actually more cost efficient, taking the buying the car instead of just the drivetrain?
What all did remain "stock Enzo"?
Was it for DOT/EPA testing so you didn't need to crash test it?

Just curious,
I have read through the entire "Enzo Reimagined" thread but as you know, it's been a while since the actual build was being thoroughly talked about.

Thanks



Peter

 

Hi

Firstly the Enzo is a great chassis as is the engine and all electronic and suspention components. It is also a fully street legal car and even with the modifications remains one. Finally the surplus Enzo parts can be sold and will probably bring a good price.

As for letting other's flog it for a road test that will not be happening. That's not the reason I built this car. I built this car to drive it on roads I love with people I love.


Best

 

That is an amazing vehicle. I truly envy you.

 

Well it's great to hear this car will be used, unlike many others of Pininfarina's work that is sitting untouched in a warehouse in Dubai.

Will it ever make it to California roads after its debut? Will be amazing to see it at Pebble, let alone seeing it on the road.

Also, it would be great to hear what you have to say about the original Enzo. Did it meet your satisfaction? Any insight you could give us would be magnificent.

I also read that Pininfarina had, in fact, found you, or at least that's how it seemed when reading the Car And Driver article. Did they suggest the Enzo as a starting point, or were you just going for an all out performer, out of the box, so to speak?

If any of this is repetitive of the other thread, please just let me know, you don't need to go through all of these questions multiple times just because they have been posed. I'm just very curious about your entire project.

Peter Hatch

 

Hello Jim, it is a pleaure and a privilege to welcome you to the boards, and to say Hi. All I can say about your new car is WOW!!!!!! It is an amazing machine, and I would do anything to be able to see it in person some day. Its so much better looking than the Enzo it used to be. I wish you the best of luck with it. BTW, great picture of the MKIV GT40. Which chassis number is that, if I may ask? I have the most recent GT40 book, and if I can find out the chassis number, I can read all about who drove it and all. Thanks for the help, and again, BEAUTIFUL AUTOMOBILE!!!

 

Hi

My MK-IV is J6 the car driven to 4th oa. at Le Mans in 1967 by Mark Donohue and Bruce McLaren. The latest books should have the chassis right but some earlier ones have J5 (The Foyt/Gurney winner) as J6 which is wrong.

My brief to Pininfarina was to "Build something that looked like my P 3/4 on an Enzo chassis" The design evolved from there.
The new Car and Driver has a good article on what happened.

Best

 

thanks for the info Jim
I'm about half way through the thread at Ferrari chat. Great read!

 

Jim, thanks for the info. I just got out my GT40 book from my office at the Ford dealer I work at. It's the one by Ronnie Spain. Amazing history on your Mk IV!! Andretti also drove it, too cool. Thanks for the pics of the 3 in your garage. That picture is heaven to me.

 

That is one BEAUTIFUL automobile... There isnt a weak angle on it, but my favorite has to be the 9/10 rear angle