http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=130808

This is supposed to be the competition?

Even with irs, the bullit outhandles it in the slalom by 5 mph. (Like I said before, weight matters A LOT when it comes to handling)

The 2010 Mustang GT will eat this car ALIVE

looks good though

 

That poor car. The weight is KILLING it. 375 HP and it's trapping 100 MPH running low 14's? Shame... especially since it looks sooo good.

 

Ahhh, yeah. Try putting it up against the SRT-8. Different outcome, as one of the magazines already proved.

It's true, though, that Challenger's weight is its problem. But with an equivalent power-to-weight ratio as the Stang, the Challenger is well out ahead of the Mustang in the twisties.

 

Challenger who?

 

Why would a bullit (just a step above a GT) be competing with the top of the line SRT-8? That's GT500 competition. And as Red Star pointed out it will get murdered.

Bullit > R/T
GT500> SRT-8

The Challengers can't even compete with the current Mustangs, when the 2010 get's here it won't even be a contest.

 

The competitor for the GT is the SRT-8. Dodge plans a higher performance model that will sport well north of 500 HP. THAT will the the competitor for the GT500.

 

Completely disagree, I will let the HP ratings, and more importantly, price tag determine the pairings.

Bullit> R/T
GT500> SRT-8

And this 500+ Mopar you speak of (other than the Viper) would be as follows

GT500KR (or Super Snake)> 500+ Mopar

As far as Im concerned, Ford has the upper hand in the muscle car wars when it comes to both Dodge an GM.

The Challenger is like a trash barge with rocket power, big push but to heavy to compete (with its proper pairing ^^)

The Camaro is just too little too late and is also heavy.

Ford right now has a model, in the show room ready to compete at nearly any level, multiple V6 trims, base GT, Bullit, GT500, and GT500KR. By the time the other manufacturers get the ball rolling, we will be seeing the restyle and DI engines boasting more power at the current weight, Ford will now have the upper hand when it comes to Power/Weight ratio.

Simply put, I think it was a valiant effort by the other two, but it was simply too late. Lets compare apples to apples not apples to oranges (ie. Bullit>SRT-8) just because they are both fruit (or Muscle cars)

 

I can't see how is that possible.

$42,000 Challenger SRT-8 is competing against $26,000 Mustang GT, not $42,000 Shelby GT500?
I guess then Challenger SE V6 is competing against Mustang GT V8?

 

quoted for truth. The challenger gets owned at every level of performance by the current stang. And the gap will widen when the new mustangs come out...

 

This is correct. Although to clarify:

GT / GT/CS / Bullitt / Whatever other 'mild' SE is released > R/T Challenger

As Red Star said, I don't know how you can say that the SRT-8 is the GT's competition when there is a $16,000 price difference. I'm sure that if someone is considering an SRT-8, they're not cross-shopping it with a GT or a Bullitt... they're thinking about a GT500 or C6 Corvette. Same applies with someone looking for a Mustang GT. They're not comparing the GT to an SRT-8 or a Corvette.

 

Meh. If the Challengers can't beat the Mustang's performance, guess they'll have to be sold on looks.

 

Which is exactly what the bulk of the mustang sales are.
It's been said time and time again the best selling stang is the v-6. If that wasn't the case the no one bought the v-6 odds are the bean counters would kill the car off.


I personally am happy to see the Chally and camaro back. The challenger is more of a grand touring car than a "sports car" the camaro is more of a far comparison I'd think.

if the chally had the GT's weight then it would be killing every stock GT on the planet plain and simple the numbers are too close as it is.

Everyone is acting like it's a big shocker the challenger has lower perf numbers..everyone on the planet knew the weight of the car 2 seconds after they announce it was gonna be made from a chopped up Charger.

BTW ford should do something like this....


Drag Package Challenger

Oh but that's right..they'd rather line shelbys pockets with green

 

How about Roush Drag Pack?

 

but it doesn't have the Mustang's weight, so what's your point?

The challenger is like a blue ribbon pig at the fair, it looks good but it's all fat

 

I see this from both side. The 2011 Mustang GT appears likely to be a real performance standout, and the truth is that the thought of a less expensive Mustang that can outperform all of the competition thrills me beyond measure.

That said, there is more to a ponycar, and indeed to any car, than how fast it goes. If speed were all that mattered nobody would ever buy an Aston Martin since Ferrari and Porsche both offer faster iron for similar money.

After a rough start I have actually warmed up a bit to the Challenger. It is a bit on the big side for my tastes, but I like the look and fully expect that the changes made would only make me appreciate the same chassis which underpins the 300, a car I like a great deal, even more.

Would I pick it over a Mustang? No, but I wouldn't scoff at those who do.

 

Oh I agree jsaylor . I understand performance isn't everything when it comes to cars. I was just excited because a lot members on here doubt Ford's ability to produce a Mustang that could compete performance wise with the new challenger and camaro. They see the 375hp rating vs the GT's 300hp or Bullit's 315hp and they immediately start panicking.

Now it's one down and one to go...

 

I'm with you man, I'm with you.

 

Roush drag pack isn't Ford's Drag pack..doesn't count

My point is why is everyone so shocked at these numbers?
The only place I've read that anyone is cranked about the challenger being a possible mustang killer is here.
I hang out o the challenger forums alot and they couldn't care less. they like the chally for what it is A **** good looking car that is fun to drive and isn't a mustang which every person on the planet owns it seems.

People around here are like AHA see the Chally is a pig..big whoopty doo welcome to two freaking years ago.
Did anyone honestly think for one second the car would turn out to be a light weight?

I don't hear anyone ever saying that the GT500 is a pig.
that **** car weighs only 220 lbs less than the Chally..and don't give me the iron block crap I don't care the car is a pig it's heavy and needs a supercharger to offset that weight. If Mopar SC'd the SRT-8 it would be just as fast I'm sure. But I'm not gonna wine about the supercharger (see what i did there) or the weight of the cars..just enjoy them both and don't sweat it.

 

Doug, I expected Challenger's numbers to be low, but not that low. My 8 years old Mustang 3.8L is faster than Challenger SE and even Neon SRT-4 was faster than Challenger SRT-8. That's embarrassing.

Shelby GT500 is not just lighter, but also more powerful. Like 75 hp more powerful.
And Hennessey is planing their own version of Challenger, they said it will have 537 hp and 1/4 mile time in sub 12s. That's even more embarrassing. 537 hp and they only managed to get mid 12s?

 

i give up

I had written a long speach but it's not worth it......

I'll just avoid the posts such as these.