http://gmauthority.com/blog/2010/10/...et-more-power/

 

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make it better? oh god no.. lets just put more power into something that needs brake wieghts and destroys shafts and trannys

 

i love how everyone makes their product better with competition being the motivation.

but then if Ford gets word of this then i'd bet they'd do something with Coyote 5.0...then again might not need to. after all the Boss 302 is coming for 2012MY. i think this will be very interesting.

 

G(overnment) M(ullet) mindset: "DURRR, MOAR POWAR!!!1"

Once again demonstrates that while the Mustang is a rapier, the Camaro is...a blunt object.

 

is it going to be a paper increase again or a real increase? we all know how GM likes to cut corners "what the new v6 mustang has 305hp? ****, ok ummm print some posters out let's just say it's 312 now."

 

Unsurprising, but a welcome indication of the raging pony car war that benefits all us car enthusiast. I am utterly convinced, given that lackadaisical pace of development the Mustang puttered through, pre Camaro/Challenger to the fervid pace of development now, we would not be seeing much of the improvements on the 2010 and 2011 Stangs, at least not for a few years yet.

I only wish Hyundai would plop their 5.0 into the Genesis Coupe to really turn up the heat in this class!

Of course, a big and hard to address problem with both the Camaro and Challenger is not one of "too little," but rather, of "too much" as in size and weight, both of which will have to wait for a full redesign to truly address. IMHO, no Pony car should weigh more than, say 3,400 lbs in its porkiest iteration and the GT/Boss, SS, and SRT models should be closer to 3,200 lbs to make them viable in the future.

 

I love how the sole fact is because " the 5.0 is faster in the quarter mile with significantly less hp" LOVE ITT!! Freaking GM man, they make you laugh. OBAMA called..... he wants his car back! lmao

 

To be fair, GM really doesn't have any more cost effective options open to them, especially when you consider development resources right now are going into the 6th gen Camaro, and frankly Ford did the same thing with the 2010 cars with the factory CAI and adaptive engine management strategy.

If GM out guns the Mustang with the MY12 Camaros, hopefully Ford will use some resources from the Boss program to bump power on the GT (440hp would be nice)

 

GM does have a few easily played cards in their hand, or should I say, motors on their parts shelves. Perhaps plunk in a slightly detuned wet-sump Z06 motor (LS7, IIRC). That should be good for an easy 450-475hp and hold them until a downsized next gen Camaro rolls around in a few years.

As for Ford, they show no signs of complacency, ala 2005-2009. Rather, bump a version of the current Boss motor into the GT and up the motor in the Boss with DI and maybe a few other tricks to get it up to the 450-475 range too.

As for Dodge...

 

On DI, Ford keeps saying DI does not add enough over port injection to justify its cost.

I have been impressed that Ford gets what they do from their small engines. GM and Dodge get their power from large displacement. My friends 2007 Z06 has 505 HP but gets it from a 427 Cu In of displacement or 1.18 HP/CI. Fords new 5.0 is making 412 or more out of a 302 Cu In for 1.32 per CI. To be fair though, the 281 CI 3 valve is about 1.12 HP/CI. For the push rod carburetor people... My 68 Chevell with its 327 CI Engine put out 225 HP or 0.69 HP / CI. Getting an engine to make 1HP per Cube was the holy grail but is easily topped in production line cars today.

 

Currently yes, the coyote cylinderhead architecture can take advantage of its port injection scheme as a an 8/10ths DI setup.

If the intake ports didn't offer such a straight shot into the cylinder along with having I/E VVT then DI would be a nessecity. Had Ford kept going with the 4.6 3v, DI would have been nessecary to accomplish the same thing, GM's engines are most likely in a position where DI is mandatory due to port layout (the next gen LSx engines are supposed to be DI with VVT).

 

Those cards are not easily playable, probably the hardest ones actually. A new engine must be certified by the EPA, go through fuel economy tests as well as crash testing. All of those add up to big bucks.

 

Well, fairly easily, relative to what any different motor takes to go online these days. But with all the GM smallblocks currently in their inventory, pretty much the bulk of the development and production work has already been done, not like some clean sheet design. I can't imagine crash testing would be any real issue as one small block is pretty much identical to another small block from that aspect.

Those caveats given, I still think, relatively speaking, it would be fairly easy for GM to adopt an existing, more powerful small block to the SS Camaro without undue difficulty, and, given the advent of Fords screaming new 5.0, they probably need to.

 

True all LS engines now are all aluminum blocks and share everything except bore size (stroke is the same from the 5.3 up to the 6.2). I still say Jenny craig would do more all the way around from going to turning to stopping. On a side note I would rather see a 1LE package (3.73 or 4.10's and some of the caddy CTS-V's shocks would be nice) than more power and see how the game tightens up. Sad thing is ZetaII will probably be replaced by this rumored "alpha" (at least it is supposed to be smaller) before it sees it's zenith.

 

slims you order your 'vert yet?

 

No actually I'm now waiting to see if the Z28 comes to fruition. I'd rather have a blower than no top. If the Z28 does not come about I'm actually looking into a used Z06.

 

you'll have to get a new avatar then

 

7 liter Z06?

 

Yep. C6Z06.

 

Nice man, definetly one of my all time favs and besides the Shelby, another car I would dearly love to have. I hope everything works out and you get it.