Absolutely!

In fact, NO muscle cars had spoilers for a number of years. They didn't exist!

Then Detroit started concentrating on looks vs speed. Few if any of the spoilers or wings at the time had anything to do with street performance. It was a matter of "what wins on Sunday, sells on Monday" or whatever that old saying says.

Race cars grew wings, so the muscle cars did.

I think some of the coolest muscle cars are big-block Fairlanes and Galaxies. Coronet 440s, and even though I don't like Chevy's that much, the 409 Impala is a classic muscle car... and it doesn't look any different than Gramma's 273 1V.

I didn't say that muscle cars didn't have wings. Some had wings. But they got their ~name~ from the big engine under the hood. Most muscle cars are big-blocks, while a few notable race-designed small blocks get the nod as well (Ford Boss 302, Chevy Z28 302, Mopar 340, for example).

If we looked at what defined "muscle car", you'd see that far more real muscle cars had bigblocks than had wings...

So whould I be correct in saying that the Mustang should have a big-block otherwise it isn't a muscle car? I don't think so...

 

Either way.

Actually, in my "old fogey" mind, there is no such thing as a ducktail, there are just spoilers and wings. But I'm in the minority these days... I guess all wings and ducktails are "spoilers" even if the wings are useless (don't change the airflow). Since they are all "spoilers", then you have to say what type, integral with the deck lid, or wing.

It cracks me up that non-functional wings even exist. But that's the great thing about America, just because you want to dress "funny", there's no reason you can't.

(just poking fun...)

 

I see nothing wrong with spoilers myself, as long as they look ok and smoothly match the overall shape of the body.

This however, should be illegal...

 

But it's got that muscle car look

(grin, now I'll run away, and stop being an old f_rt.)

 

that looks like the UFO I seen the other night...

 

That is the UFO I saw the other night

 

Will I wasn't born during the Muscle car era of mid 60's,

my Muscle era was when it was reborn back in 1985 with 1985 Mustang GT ,SVO Z28, Trams Am and Grand National , B)

 

I think that nowadays, if a CAR has a powerful and torquey V8, and is fast, it should be considered muscle. Compared to a Civic, even a 350Z is muscle.

 

Just because a Lambo is a V12 does not mean it's a muscle car...

I think it's really a "social" thing with cars. Mustangs, Camaros and Firebirds (etc.) attract that certain buyer who wants cheap power just to have it -- a GOOD thing, no less.

A buyer of a Nissan 350Z (or aforementioned exotic car) wants something completely different even though the 350Z and 05' GT are near identical in HP.

 

One of the reasons that spoilers and other air flow management pieces started showing up on the "Pony" cars of 1969/70 era was a little thing called the Trans-Am racing series.







The rules in 1969 required that the manufactures had to built at least 1000 units of each model raced in the series--so if the racers wanted them (ducktails, wings air dams, scoops...) the factory had to put them on production cars for sale to the public. NASCAR/NHRA/AHRA/USAC all had rules which had a similar effect on muscle car bodies.

And yes, I am old enough to been involved with racing back then.

 

Blip,

You are showing your age. ..........That process is called Homologation. It is still in force in racing series, World Rallying (hence why you can buy EVO VIII's), BTCC etc etc

 

Enough said......... Got to love someone putting a Trans-am spoiler on a Mustang! And yes, it is a V6 even though he has a V8 plate!

 

Will I wasn't born during the Muscle car era of mid 60's,

my Muscle era was when it was reborn back in 1985 with 1985 Mustang GT ,SVO Z28, Trams Am and Grand National , B) [/b][/quote]
05mach1,

Anyway not trying to start a arguement but you are right the 87-93 is your muscle car era and there is nothing wrong with that. I don't think the question who was born in the muscle car era or not born in the muscle car era. I wasn't born in the muscle car era either. He was only stating when he thought the spoilers/wings started to come out. He specifically gave a time frame for what he was talking about. Sorry I just don't see where 87-93 spoilers/wings had anything to do with what M1rifle was talking about. Don't take it personally Just IMHO. In fact it's nice to see that you are into stangs, z28s, trans ams, and didn't follow the hondas/toys/mits.

 

Those are some beautful cars.

 

Enough said......... Got to love someone putting a Trans-am spoiler on a Mustang! And yes, it is a V6 even though he has a V8 plate! [/b][/quote]
that makes me want to

i should take a picture of a mustang down the street from me. the kid just got it painted a bright blue/purple with buch of silver and gold flames running from the hood all the way down the doors and back to the trunk. i don't know if the flames are vinyls or not, but either way it looks we-tawted.

*edit:

i forgot to mention the kmart wheel covers he has on there. really ties the whole thing together.



i've also seen a few mustangs w/ the japaneese characters stickers all over them. i even saw one where they took the pony badge off of the front fender, and replaced it with a japanese character or a dragon...something stupid like that.



and when they get the car to sound like a ricer...

it's just sad.

:notnice:

 

The 67 Camaro RS had a ducktail spoiler.

 

 

Great chop! I like the 3/4 window... I think the GT-R rims really fit the car...

 

I agree with M!rifle, adding fiberglass doesn't make it a musclecar. Galaxie isn't there a no spoiler delete in Canada. I went to the ford dealership in my city to place an order and he didn't know anything about 13D. I dont want a spoiler but he said it comes with the GT.

 

So, back to Boss 302's and the Trans Ams and homologation.

Notice how the race-driven Boss 302's have deep chin spoilers and rear wings that are angled to actually provide downforce?

Then go back and look at the same features on a street Boss 302. Different angles.

The stuff for the street cars was pure glitz.

I prefer the Plymouth Roadrunner approach. Start with a minimalist approach, and then make it more so! The '70 Roadrunners came with steel wheels and dog dish hubcaps. No wings. Don't need'm in the quarter mile with street cars.