Now here's a Mustang SE!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/15/v...-vanquish-v12/

I always harbored an idea that it would be way cool for Ford, the company to bring the V8 to the common man, to put a V12 into the Stang. Vette's got a V8, the Viper a V10, so what's left for Ford and the Mustang to distinguish itself but to go V12.

Sure, you can always pump up an off-the-shelf V8 in some manner or other to get the same power numbers -- been there, done that (see exhibit A: GT500) -- but you'd never get that iron-fist-in-a-velvet-glove power and smoothness of a V12 much less the ethereal music. And talk about unique.

Just call it the P-51 option in honor of the real "original" Mustang.

 

Ehhh I guess it's cool.


The Corvette has always had a V8 and the Viper has always had a V10. I think that in ways it's not really keeping with the Mustang culture. The Mustang is known for it's "***** to the wall" V8.

It's kind of like how they throw a V6 in a Mustang now, but the opposite (no offense to those V6 owners).

 

Truth be told...many a early model mustang came with a 6 cyl motor...a straight six, but a six none the less. Why not marry two together side by side for something special, or two V-6's end to end. Sounds very strong in the video.

 

It is also known for, as mentioned above, Straight 6, v6, 4-cylinder, and turbo-4. (Even had a V10 Prototype a few years ago.)

 

The AM V12 is somewhat related to the Duratec V6, sharing some basic parts, specs and whatnot, in an oversimplified way being essential the result of a Duratec shotgun wedding.

While of course the Ford Mustang has never had a V12, but then, neither did many/any mass market cars have a V8 heritage before ol Henry did something about that in 1932. And you could always claim poetic heritage via the Ford Mustang's WWII Merlin-engined namesake. That'd be purty neat to check of an option code p-51 for the Merlin package.

Of course it will never happen. Ford is neither so bold nor in good-enough condition to do something so cool.

 

Interesting that all the posters can do is bash the Mustang over and over. I'd love to see what the thing can do. This reminds me in a lesser way of the squabbling people engaged in because of the fast and furious mustang. It's a car, it's unusual, it is what it is, but it probably has some interesting capabilities when compared to a GT500. Wonder what it's stats look like...

 

Incidentally, that's one thing I've always liked about reading your posts Rhumb, you really seem to just like cars in general, and understand them, and post your reasoning behind why you say what you say.

 

Just call me a car nut, perhaps some day I'll find something useful to do with my spare time and thoughts. And I do try to keep a very broad interest in cars, including but hardly exclusive to the Stang or anything else for that matter. Seems more interesting that way and I think (hope) offers perspectives and insights that might otherwise be harder to come by.

For those who think I just pick on the poor Mustang, you should hear me gripe about some various aspects of my BMW M3 (glass jaw rear subframe, special $12 champagne of oils to keep the "Engine of Damocles" referred to in the singular case, clunky diff that would shame a '53 pickup racket-wise, etc.). Now there's some picking on!

 

Which M3?

 

The Mustang's V8 is not a *****-to-the-wall V8. It's hardly stressed out, because it should be making nearly 460 hp naturally aspirated to take advantage of its displacement. Due to the deficiency of the modular engine design, we're stuck with relatively weak engine outputs.

Just take a look at MODERN V6 and V8 engines. Hyundai claims 375 hp out of a 4.6L DOHC V8 naturally aspirated. Ford can grab 265 hp out of a 3.5L V6 (the 4.6L SOHC V8 in 92-00 Crown Vics only made 215 hp max) while Nissan/Infiniti can grab 330 hp out of a 3.7L V6. Audi's 4.2L V8 makes 420 hp! The key is 100 hp per liter. Ford's modular V8s/V10s fail miserably in this respect. That is why you see superchargers on anything with SVT badging or anything related to performance: Lightning, Terminator Cobra, GT500, Ford GT, etc... except for the anemic SVT Focus.

The positive aspect of Ford's engines is that they're not over-stressed so they tend to run reliably for long periods of time.

 

That article forgot to mention that that car was made by a canadian company western motorsports to take to SEMA. I have their intake its pamp.
www.wmsracing.com

 

2001 E46, black on black with a wiggly stick (non-SMG). Always had a lust on for these things -- once owned a German market '79 323i -- and stumbled across this low mileage (27K) car last year owned by a guy who was fanatical about maintenance (he must have driven the service department absolutely NUTS), and got it at a great price.

Great car overall, an engineering masterpiece though by no means flawless either. Great power (333hp) coupled with great mileage (saw 33mpg highway, thirsty in the city though) with superb handling and braking. Very comfy and practical too.

Took some hard reasoning, and no small amount of groveling, with the wifey, but she relented and really likes it too.

My hope was to ****** up a Flat Rock S197 Stang to replace my Flat Rock Probe GT as the early vibe Ford was putting out was that it would be a poor man's M3, i.e., well rounded and multi-talented performance coupe. I was rather let down that, in the end, while a very good car, it was a vastly improved but still fairly unidimensional straight-line performance car -- I like to use the steering wheel and brake pedal as much as the loud peddle, often all three at once. Perhaps the '10 will be a more fully fleshed out performance car for which I'll have to start prepping my begging points for the little lady.

 

The AM V12 is a lot more than "somewhat related" to the D30 V6.

 

Sadly a common prejudice embraced by the world at large, I have a customer who will adamantly correct you mid sentence if you utter anything american and the word turn.

 

I friggin love that car!! Sounds so sweet!

 

We've been following that car for years
awesome machine!
My only complaint is the dash

 

Have to agree, the dash looks cheap compared to everything else. Not a fan of the grill either.

 

Amazing, nice choice of color too...

 

very impressive piece.

Sorry, but to me no matter how smooth/no matter how loud, a V8 thru duals will always be the best sounding engine on earth to my ears...no matter the firing order the exhaust pulses are inherently out of phase from bank to bank- gives them a sound unlike any other...think about it:

from firing order perspective:
cyl layout..... firing sequence............. sound
.R4---8L..............7---8.......................right exhaust ++0+00+0,++0+00+0,etc
...3---7................2---3.........................left exhaust 00+0++0+,00+0++0+,etc
...2---6................4---5
...1---5................1---6

so unless you build a 'bundle of snakes' 180 degree header like on the old GT40, a V8 with duals just inherently will always have a very unique rumble thru duals...always made me wonder why equal length tubes are often considered optimal with V8 headers...seems to me equal length would always be worse for a V8...

to me a 4/10/12 cylinder always sounds like a bike(actually 'works' much better for scavenging) and a some v6's just sound odd to me...but a V8 rumble sounds 'just right'

just an opinion

speaking of big engined mustangs, check out this um...'bigblock' beast:

(heres a link- its not a photochop, but a 1100 CID tank engine...)
http://www.mustangblog.com/index.php...n-tank-engine/

 

Check it out, you too can put a aston martin v12 in your stang.....

New Take out V12 Aston Vanquish Engine

only 650 miles! 460 horsepower!

complete with all accessories

Dual Throttle Bodys!

$38,995.00
http://www.karkraft.com/new_&_used_engines.htm