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Old 10/12/04, 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by Wombert+October 12, 2004, 7:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wombert @ October 12, 2004, 7:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JustAnotherDude@October 12, 2004, 10:12 AM
Know this has been covered in another thread, but don't bother to find it...


Seeing as "all" sportscar sedans are governed at 155 mph and they're even walking away from that now on some (like Porsche), I think the Mustang should be able to reach at least 155 without getting strangled. For image, if nothing else. Why have a pony if you're going to get outrunned by a dude in a VW Golf VR6 on the Autobahn?

Ford, it's about Image. Dammit.

edit: OK, since it's not officially going to free-speed regions it's an academic question, but I think it matters even in downtown L.A.
Porsches have never been governed. There was an "agreement" between major german car makers (BMW, Mercedes, Audi etc) to limit their cars to 250kph; this was recently "violated" by BMW, they will limit their new M5 to ~280kph (rumor has it that it's good for over 300; I believe the reason for 280 is again the tires). Golf VR6s are, by the way, also limited to 250kph, so there's no way you could get smoked by one on the Autobahn, where you have a lot of speed limits anyway. [/b][/quote]

OK, confused the M5 with Porsches (for some reason. I'm tired today).

Anyway, you got my point - the VR6 is restricted at 250 kph, the Stang is restricted at 230 kph! That's dumb, even if you rarely get to go that fast!
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Originally posted by afcop13@October 12, 2004, 4:12 AM
Not so sure how accurate those are either though, as they BOTH show the KM/h going up to 240. That wouldn't be calibrated correctly for one of the two.............
Your eyes must be sharper than mine. In the top pic it looks like 200 kph (125 mph) and in the bottom 240 kph (150 mph). It'a academic to me if the car is governed or not. I'm never going to drive at anywhere near 140+ mph.
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The Owners Manual shows that the IUP gets the 140 and the non-IUP gets the 120. Check it out. It is on pages 10, 15, and 16.

Optional instrument cluster referes to the IUP cluster with the two extra guages. Basic cluster refers to the non-IUP cluster with only 4 gauges!!!

There is the final research.
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Originally posted by clan0013@October 12, 2004, 6:31 PM
The Owners Manual shows that the IUP gets the 140 and the non-IUP gets the 120. Check it out. It is on pages 10, 15, and 16.

Optional instrument cluster referes to the IUP cluster with the two extra guages. Basic cluster refers to the non-IUP cluster with only 4 gauges!!!

There is the final research.
Since 1994, all V6 Mustangs have had a 120 MPH speedo and GT's 140 MPH. To go a little further, the V6 and GT Instrument clusters have ALWAYS been different and do not simply interchange (I.E. Tach's have different red-line & circuitry for either 6 or 8 cylinders, GT's also always had "Low-Oil" Light).

I see no reason for Ford to change this in 2005, especially since the V6 cars still wear "T" speed rated / 118 MPH tires ... in even a whimpier size than '03-04 (now 215/65R16 compared to 225/55R16). I'm pretty sure I saw BFG Traction T/A's on one of the press cars and these are "T" speed rated per Tire Rack. However whimpy, this tire is a far cry better than the Goodyear Eagle LS from '03-04.

Bottom line ... the owners manual IS WRONG !! I will guarentee you that you will not see a V6 car with a 140 MPH Speedo nor a GT with a 120 MPH ... IUP or not !!

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Old 10/13/04, 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by clan0013@October 13, 2004, 2:31 AM
The Owners Manual shows that the IUP gets the 140 and the non-IUP gets the 120. Check it out. It is on pages 10, 15, and 16.

Optional instrument cluster referes to the IUP cluster with the two extra guages. Basic cluster refers to the non-IUP cluster with only 4 gauges!!!

There is the final research.
The manual is correct, you are wrong, I'm afraid. The two clusters pictured are just EXAMPLES. Look carefully, nowhere in the manual does it say that they are both GT instrument panels. They took a non-IUP V6 cluster and a IUP GT one. It might be confusing, but there is the final research
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For those that have driven the car, is the steering wheel in the way of the speedo when you drive? Especially at highway speeds.
Old 10/19/04, 02:22 PM
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I'll make sure the pictures in the Timeline section are correct when I get home.



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The V6 will get the 120....the GT will get the 140.
Promotional shots and Manuals should not be over analized.

Steve/Dan can vouche that the NON-IUP GTs had a 240km/h speedo. (that would be the equivalent of the 140mph U.S. Gauge)

IUP and number of gauges 4-6, has nothing to do with it. Manual, publicity photo or not.

(think about it....why in blazes would the speedo changed based on the colours etc....its not. Its on the ability of the car and its rating)
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So you are saying they have 4 different clusters?

v6 base (120)
v6 opt (120)
gt base (140)
gt opt (140)
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Wanna bet??

120MPH 4 gauge (V6 nonIUP)
120MPH 6 gauge (V6 IUP)
140MPH 4 gauge (GT nonIUP)
140MPH 6 gauge (GT IUP)

x2 (canadian gauges)
No, I'm saying there's 8 gauges
Theres a reason the IUP costs what it does, and its not all MyColor

Of course this is barring that the 5speed auto/manual have the same redline.
Otherwise, multiply that x2 again....

Think about this logically now.....

So my redline will change based on the IUP? as well as MPH..uh...no...

V6-120
GT-140
Final answer

Unless of course the book is way off, and ALL the gauges go to 140...
but then again..you'd still need the same amount of combinations because the REDLINES would be different.
Think about it
Dizzy yet!
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In a normal car I would say no problem ... but with mycolor ... I just don't know ... because it seems like an awful waste to have mycolor being split into 2 (4) different gauge productions

edit: but it would explain why 2mustangjohn said v6 with IUP was still being held while gt w/ IUP was being produced
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BTW.... if the GT is gonverned at 155 MPH, that converts to 249.4483 (we'll round up to 250) KPH, so both the Mustang GT and the VR6 are going to be choking right along side each other on the auto baun... the idea will be to see who hits it sooner.
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144mph per tires...if I can remember correctly.
NOt 155mph
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The last few comments are correct...I have the dealers manual of the car and they brake it down for each car.

V6: non IUP-4 gauges, 120 mph
IUP-6 gauges, 120 mph
GT: non-IUP-4 gauges, 140 mph
IUP-6 gauges, 140 mph

the pics in the brochure are just a mixture of the the four selections, and they dont label them well, they seem to be just appealing to the average car buyer and not to everyone here who obviously is really observant and know more than Ford seems to at this point (LOL). Now now where in this thing does it say that those are the top speeds just what the gauge will read.
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Thank God, I'm actually going to see upwards of 120 in my GT (assuming good weather and a nice stretch of open autobahn) and I would hate to break something since I didn't get the IUP!

Who is going to have time to play with colored lights with a wonderful car like this one to drive and listen to?
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so how easy is it going to be to change the governor after I put tires rated at 140+... such as ZRs?
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Just backing up Boomer's statements,

I sat in two Canadian GT's, one had IUP, one did not, both speedometers went up to the same.

They showed a Canadain V6 at woodward where the speedo went up to 200km/h

Either way, the backgrounds for the instrument cluster shouldn't be very expensive IUP or not, they are still just a sheet of plastic with the numbers silkscreened on them.
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Hee hee, I'm driving a Renault Laguna 1.9L diesel with a 150MPH speedo......no chance of getting there, goes flat at 125.

Anyway, hope to be living in Texas with a Sonic Blue GT early next year provided I get my immigrant visa next month


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Yes, it's definitely 120MPH for V6, regardless of IUP. Here's a picture I found on StangNet, supposed to be a real production V6, sitting at a dealer, showing the V6 IUP cluster:
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This makes the most sense from the perspective of the IUP holds, perhaps its the MYCOLOR GT clusters that are in short suppy. I have a friend that assembles the dash for the Stang I'll ask him. I figured they would not be run out of the aluminuim trim pieces.


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