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Old May 16, 2005 | 02:45 PM
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I think i would buy a 06 Mustang GT with a shelbiy driveline before i got a new Shelby, i think that the 3v should be the base Gt motor and the 5.4 DOHC should be the optional motor, would u buy a GT with a 5.4 or would u rather get the whole GT500?
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Old May 16, 2005 | 02:47 PM
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I think it's a good idea, but this kind of thing adds a lot of cost to the manufacturing process and will also limit their bandwidth in regard to future SE models. I think you'll see slightly higher output 4.6 with the GT, but no 5.4.
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Old May 16, 2005 | 02:51 PM
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the goverment and their idiotic emmisions crap, what morons i wish they could sell as many as they make.
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Old May 16, 2005 | 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Fordracing200@May 16, 2005, 1:54 PM
the goverment and their idiotic emmisions crap, what morons i wish they could sell as many as they make.
That emmisions crap is what probably allowed your mom to have you healthy and safe, and would allow you to have a healthy baby in the future. I dont even want to imagine the world without emission laws.
And although I wouldnt like the mustang GT to have the Cobra engine, it would be pretty cool to see different engines being available to choose from, like back in the day. But like 97svtgoin05gt said, it would take away from future SE models. I would rather see them save some engines for SE's rather than for the GT.
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Old May 16, 2005 | 03:12 PM
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i would rather see SEs that have even better motors. i would love for the mustang to have optional motors and rear gears, like 3.73 standard, then 4.10 and 4.30 and 4.56 optional.
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Old May 16, 2005 | 03:36 PM
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No, I'd reserve the 5.4 for special editions.

People who want an 8...the 300hp 24v is even more than a good start.

I do think they need to fill the gap between the GT and GT500 though, and they probably will eventually with special editions.
Either a supercharged 4.6L 4v (old cobra engine) or a N/A 5.4 3v
I'd love to see the 5.4 in a SE like BOSS.
Mind you, I think everyone would.
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Old May 16, 2005 | 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by thezeppelin8@May 16, 2005, 3:01 PM
That emmisions crap is what probably allowed your mom to have you healthy and safe, and would allow you to have a healthy baby in the future. I dont even want to imagine the world without emission laws.
And although I wouldnt like the mustang GT to have the Cobra engine, it would be pretty cool to see different engines being available to choose from, like back in the day. But like 97svtgoin05gt said, it would take away from future SE models. I would rather see them save some engines for SE's rather than for the GT.
I don't think Doug is aware of the environmental disasters of the past like rivers catching on fire.
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Old May 16, 2005 | 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by Boomer@May 16, 2005, 5:39 PM
No, I'd reserve the 5.4 for special editions.

People who want an 8...the 300hp 24v is even more than a good start.

I do think they need to fill the gap between the GT and GT500 though, and they probably will eventually with special editions.
Either a supercharged 4.6L 4v (old cobra engine) or a N/A 5.4 3v
I'd love to see the 5.4 in a SE like BOSS.
Mind you, I think everyone would.

Just give me a GT with forged internals and I'd be happy. None of this cast crap which can't take more than 6 - 8 lbs of boost. :scratch:
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Old May 16, 2005 | 06:24 PM
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theirs a good idea, how about a 4.6 with the 03 cobras internals that would be awesome and would make evreyone happy prolly boost it to 350hp too.
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Old May 16, 2005 | 06:45 PM
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I'd like optional powerplants and rear gearing as well. Remember back in the day when Mustangs had several V8 engine choices and any number of gears to choose from? I'd have paid a couple of hundred dollars extra to have optional 3.91s or 4.10s. Do you hear me Ford?
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Old May 16, 2005 | 08:01 PM
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I think everyone here is right on the money. A "BOSS" edition with the 390 horse motor from last year would be an awesome addition to the lineup. Wouldn't it be cool if it appeared?

Make that thing start at like $33,000 up to $36,000 optioned up and they'd sell em all.


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Old May 16, 2005 | 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by 97svtgoin05gt@May 16, 2005, 10:04 PM
I think everyone here is right on the money. A "BOSS" edition with the 390 horse motor from last year would be an awesome addition to the lineup. Wouldn't it be cool if it appeared?

Make that thing start at like $33,000 up to $36,000 optioned up and they'd sell em all.

Don't think Ford would do that as it's too similar to the Shelby GT500. For a Boss version we will more likely see the 4.6L bored out to a true 5.0L producing any where from 350hp - 400hp aka the Cammer motor. A few SE's with a NA 5.4L possibly combined with the IRS rear suspension. Ford's not going to produce another SE that will out perform the GT500 unless it's another Cobra or Shelby version. My ultimate SE that I would like Ford to build is an all aluminum 5.0L Cammer motor producing 400hp, six speed manual trans, and the IRS rear suspension. :worship:
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Old May 16, 2005 | 08:42 PM
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u do know that they would just have to end up building a whole new car. maybe a de-tuned version of the engine and making it a mach 1
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Old May 16, 2005 | 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by Fordracing200@May 16, 2005, 2:54 PM
the goverment and their idiotic emmisions crap, what morons i wish they could sell as many as they make.
Idiotic emissions crap? I lived in the LA area as a little kid in the 50's and the air was so bad then it literally brought tears to my eyes on some days. Tokyo in the 60's and Saigon in the early 70's were even worse.

What's so bad about emissions control? Today we have cars with incredible performance, mpg that was unimaginable 20 years ago, and they're clean as well. I think you're too young to appreciate how far cars have come since then. Not a flame.

Amigo, I was there then and as far as cars go, THESE are the good old days.
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Old May 17, 2005 | 02:42 PM
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even the 60s mustangs dont kill ya with smells or anything. emissions like the cats and stuff are good for the enviroment i guess, but the limits on how many of each vehicle that has a V8 can be made is BS
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Old May 17, 2005 | 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by StangFreak@May 16, 2005, 8:29 PM
Don't think Ford would do that as it's too similar to the Shelby GT500. For a Boss version we will more likely see the 4.6L bored out to a true 5.0L producing any where from 350hp - 400hp aka the Cammer motor. A few SE's with a NA 5.4L possibly combined with the IRS rear suspension. Ford's not going to produce another SE that will out perform the GT500 unless it's another Cobra or Shelby version. My ultimate SE that I would like Ford to build is an all aluminum 5.0L Cammer motor producing 400hp, six speed manual trans, and the IRS rear suspension. :worship:
I disagree. If you look at the pricing of the '03 Cobra motor Vrs the 5.0 Cammer on the Ford Racing site, you'll see that there is a good $5,000 delta between them, the '03 being the less $$ motor. In addition, the '03 Cobra blower motor is still in decent production numbers for people to purchase through Ford Racing and for aftermarket people such as Panoz and other to purchase and put in their production vehicles. I view the "Cammer" as too costly to put into even an SE variant car. The BOSS with 390hp will not threaten the GT500 with 450 conservative HP at all. Remember that the 390 motor with just a couple small adjustments cranks up a sturdy 430HP. The GT500 motor is used to doing duty at 550HP. How long do you think it'll take GT500 owners to be at that mark? Like 3 hours??
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Old May 17, 2005 | 02:57 PM
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I have no doubt we will see SE's including Bullitt, Mach, BOSS, and of course we already get a Shelby. Although Ford does have to re-license the Bullitt name from WB to get that one going again I believe.
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Old May 17, 2005 | 03:00 PM
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The Mach1 will nicely fill the gap between the GT and the Shelby. Bring Bach The MACH FORD!
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Old May 17, 2005 | 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by 97svtgoin05gt@May 17, 2005, 4:52 PM
I disagree. If you look at the pricing of the '03 Cobra motor Vrs the 5.0 Cammer on the Ford Racing site, you'll see that there is a good $5,000 delta between them, the '03 being the less $$ motor. In addition, the '03 Cobra blower motor is still in decent production numbers for people to purchase through Ford Racing and for aftermarket people such as Panoz and other to purchase and put in their production vehicles. I view the "Cammer" as too costly to put into even an SE variant car. The BOSS with 390hp will not threaten the GT500 with 450 conservative HP at all. Remember that the 390 motor with just a couple small adjustments cranks up a sturdy 430HP. The GT500 motor is used to doing duty at 550HP. How long do you think it'll take GT500 owners to be at that mark? Like 3 hours??
Not the exact Cammer motor but a version of it designed for use in a production vehicle. I doubt Ford is going to have two supercharged Mustangs in their line up. Think of it this way, you have the GT500 which is a 5.4L supercharged intercooled and SRA suspension costing around 45 grand. Then you have the supposed "Boss" which has the old 03/04 Cobra motor with an IRS rear suspension (or not) costing around 35 grand. Which one are you going to buy along with the majority of the other customers??? My point is the Boss version would take sales away from the GT500 by offering slightly less performance but at a substantial savings over the GT500. Most people would purchase the Boss (I know I would) because with the money they save they could make it as fast if not faster than a stock GT500. Trust me, with the GT500 being the flagship Mustang, Ford is not going to do any thing that will take sales away from it. Just my 2 cents..............
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Old May 17, 2005 | 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by 97svtgoin05gt+May 17, 2005, 3:52 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(97svtgoin05gt @ May 17, 2005, 3:52 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree. If you look at the pricing of the '03 Cobra motor Vrs the 5.0 Cammer on the Ford Racing site, you'll see that there is a good $5,000 delta between them, the '03 being the less $$ motor. In addition, the '03 Cobra blower motor is still in decent production numbers for people to purchase through Ford Racing and for aftermarket people such as Panoz and other to purchase and put in their production vehicles. I view the "Cammer" as too costly to put into even an SE variant car. The BOSS with 390hp will not threaten the GT500 with 450 conservative HP at all. Remember that the 390 motor with just a couple small adjustments cranks up a sturdy 430HP. The GT500 motor is used to doing duty at 550HP. How long do you think it'll take GT500 owners to be at that mark? Like 3 hours??
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the cammer doesnt have the mods out for it that the cobra does, nor woul dit make the outrageous power numbers with simple bolt ons that the cobra would. The cobra motor is also alot cheaper and faster.
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