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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 03:48 PM
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Caught the end of a news report that Ford and Chrysler are thinking about following GM's lead in giving employee prices to the general public.

Wish I had more to pass to you, but I'm sure we will all know if Ford does this.

Mustang at A-Plan price?
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 04:05 PM
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already got that---WAR July Delivery! :banana2:
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 04:21 PM
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I guarantee Ford would exclude Mustang GT, Ford GT, etc. from the employee pricing much as GM has done with Vettes and Hummers.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 04:22 PM
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not that I am complaining or wanting to rain on the parade....but why would Ford do that, they arent haveing any trouble selling these cars, or any of their cars for that matter, even with GM giving theirs away. This would be a stupid business move on their part, keep selling them and getting full price, not to mention the dealerships will be really pissed off, they dont even want to honor the xplan to a select few people who order one. And the wait to get one will only get longer if they start selling them so cheap. and it would ruin the immediate value of the car, screwing all of those that paid MSRP or over. But thats from a business stand point, from the consumers stand point this is great news if you dont already have one.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by KansasCityTim@June 29, 2005, 4:24 PM
I guarantee Ford would exclude Mustang GT, Ford GT, etc. from the employee pricing much as GM has done with Vettes and Hummers.
that would make sense and all the new chryslers would probably have the same thing going on...I was over at the chrysler dealership yesterday they had an SRT-8 300C for 20,000 over MSRP
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by rrobello@June 29, 2005, 4:26 PM
that would make sense and all the new chryslers would probably have the same thing going on...I was over at the chrysler dealership yesterday they had an SRT-8 300C for 20,000 over MSRP

They will not A-plan the Mustang til demand subside---sometime 2007---just my .02
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by KansasCityTim@June 29, 2005, 4:24 PM
I guarantee Ford would exclude Mustang GT, Ford GT, etc. from the employee pricing much as GM has done with Vettes and Hummers.

Absolutely!
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by outdoorstom@June 29, 2005, 5:21 PM
Absolutely!
I would agree that GT and Mustang would be excluded IF Ford follows suite. I have seen that GM dealerships want GM to continue the program thru July and Chrysler has said that they are poised to follow suite if that happens.
It really stinks, our programs and rebates are as good as the GM program on most vehicles but GM is getting the press hype and floor traffic.
Our commercial sales are as good as usual but the retail business is off.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by ISELLFORD@June 29, 2005, 5:40 PM
I would agree that GT and Mustang would be excluded IF Ford follows suite. I have seen that GM dealerships want GM to continue the program thru July and Chrysler has said that they are poised to follow suite if that happens.
It really stinks, our programs and rebates are as good as the GM program on most vehicles but GM is getting the press hype and floor traffic.
Our commercial sales are as good as usual but the retail business is off.
fact: GM has been chasing the market share for the past 10 years------they, even more then Ford have not been close---------this promotion will kill GM resale--i belive one and doe is the phrase---they still just do not get it------fyi---GM---retro the camaro and hope to god in 2008 its a winner----althought the benefit retiree issue looms large
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 06:39 PM
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Other than the Mustang, Ford is not exactly in the black either. They are hurting as well.

I agree about these types of sales hurting resale value.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by KansasCityTim@June 29, 2005, 3:24 PM
I guarantee Ford would exclude Mustang GT, Ford GT, etc. from the employee pricing much as GM has done with Vettes and Hummers.
Maybe in your market, but here that deal applies to all Hummers, Caddy's, Vettes, Saabs, Buicks...EVERYTHING. They're excluding nothing from the employee pricing.

In fact, Chrysler is already doing it here in this market already too, have been for about 3 week's now.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 07:57 PM
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GM's advertising has specifically said that the Vette is excluded from the program.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by V10@June 29, 2005, 8:00 PM
GM's advertising has specifically said that the Vette is excluded from the program.
I just lost a super duty sale to a previous customer to the Hummer store because of the price issue. Bought an H2 instead of a super duty.
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by KansasCityTim@June 29, 2005, 6:24 PM
I guarantee Ford would exclude Mustang GT, Ford GT, etc. from the employee pricing much as GM has done with Vettes and Hummers.
indeed


Oh and the GM discount is not valid on the Vette and the Hummer H1 (the military looking one that runs for over $100k)
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 04:56 AM
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rrobello is correct...Ford isn't having any issues selling this car at all.

I found this article on Boston.com that backs up this statement

Mustang Roars to 47 Percent Sales Gain (Posted 6/27/05 10 a.m. CDT)

DETROIT — It didn't take quite as long as a pregnancy, but Angela Biesecker was eager for her baby to arrive.

Like lots of expectant parents, Biesecker trolled Internet sites looking for more information, wondering how long it would take and what to expect when it finally came.

And then on June 17 came the moment she was waiting for: a call from her local Ford dealer. Her 2005 Legend Lime Mustang was finally delivered.

"It took five months and three days," says Biesecker of Neenah, Wis. "I was fine with the wait. I was just more worried about not getting it before the production year ended."

Biesecker, who put a $100 deposit on the car in early January, may be among the last people who ordered a 2005 who will actually get one. Ford is working hard to fill the remaining 5,500 outstanding Mustang orders but has told dealers to stop taking 2005 orders and start selling the 2006 models.

For the 2005 model year, Ford redesigned the Mustang for the first time since 1994, and buyers have been lined up since long before it went on sale in October. The automaker gave its iconic car a retro look with round headlights, chrome details inside and a throaty roar when accelerating, all hearkening back to its mid-'60s roots. And fans have been enthralled.

Mustang Sales
Through May of each year
2005 19,721
2004 13,426

Source: Automotive News

Sales of the Mustang are up 47% through the end of May over what they were last year before the redesign. The redesigned car is selling better than Chrysler's popular 300 sedan. It also is outselling 13 brands, including Scion, Saturn, Mercedes-Benz and Subaru.

"Demand for the 2005 model has already been filled from a production standpoint," says Jim Owens, marketing manager for Mustang. "We haven't seen anything like this for Mustang in recent history."

The Mustang buzz is so hot, in fact, it's even helping boost the price of used 2003 and 2004 models from before the redesign. Kelley Blue Book says used values have been up as much as $1,000 at auction as dealers scramble to have something on their lots to offer customers if they can't provide a new model.

"The introduction of a new vehicle typically brings down the value of the car it replaces, but we have found an anomaly in the Mustang," says Jack Nerad, editorial director and executive market analyst at Kelley Blue Book. "We have seen this phenomenon before but never to this extent and for this long a period."

The last time used values went up after a new model was introduced was in 2001 when BMW introduced the new 7 Series, which loyal BMW fans initially despised. Demand went up for the less controversial older model for about a month or so.

Most of the back orders for the new Mustang are for the GT model, which has a 300-horsepower V-8 engine and sells for about $25,000. Many dealers have the 210-horsepower V-6 model on their lots, but those don't stay around for long — less than three weeks, on average. "I'm not out of cars, but that car is the hottest car on the market right now," says Dan Hay, a dealer in Bakersfield, Calif.

Waiting has become almost as entertaining for buyers as actually getting the car. At some Internet sites, such as BlueOvalNews.com, Mustang buyers have hooked up with anonymous Ford employees to track where in the production cycle their car is.

Someone even leaked a number usually reserved for dealers that lets buyers check on their car. Armed with their vehicle identification number, buyers-to-be can check whether their car has been scheduled for a build date, if it's already on the line or if it's in the process of being delivered to their dealer.

"I was probably checking a couple times a week," says Jim Vance, a Cincinnati resident who picked up his Sonic Blue GT convertible last week. "It's just because I was so excited about the car."

Art Spinella, an analyst at CNW Marketing Research, says he expects demand for the Mustang will remain strong for about 18 months. Considering the car went on sale in October, that means supply could stay limited until next April.

"There's an awful lot of breadth to the Mustang but not a lot of depth," Spinella says. "A lot of people would consider driving one, but it isn't a primary vehicle in a household."
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 07:32 AM
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I think it might be time to buy a F-350 Crew Cab Duelly 7.3L Deisel 4x4 all black to match my stang
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 07:35 AM
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Man that article is sure making the rounds. I've lost count as to the number of periodicals I've seen it published in.

While I agree that Ford is having no trouble selling the Mustang... I think their challenge continues to be that most everything else in their showrooms continues to move slowly.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 07:40 AM
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Well supposedly ford and gm are both losing money. chrysler and foreign companies are the only ones that posted a profit. Ford is darn lucky that they have introduced the mustang of which sales are soring. But the mustang cant pull it off for all of ford. suv sales are way down, because of gas/oil prices. But like one person said, if they do decide to go employee pricing im sure it wont include the mustang, as it cant meet demand as it is right now. Good luck to all those still waiting and searching for a new mustang. I feel priviliged to have recieved my car on xplan pricing, but a would have been off the hook. LOL
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 08:11 AM
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Well when you have to pay billions and billions of dollars in health insurance for retired workers and for current workers, and people are living longer now then they were 10 20 years ago that cost of insurance is gonna catch up with you. The euroupean and asia companies don't have these problems yet because most of their companies aren't that old or large where they have as many employees and retires to pay health insurance for. I mean it only makes sense at least to me?????
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 08:17 AM
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As of a month or so ago, per a Ford salesperson, at least around here, they were having a difficult time moving Freestars and the 500. Pickups were a little down from previous years and of course, the Mustang was hot.
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