I actually stumbled upon this site.....I know, I know, I must be living in a dark room. I've read almost all the threads and this is one informative site with good discussions - good & bad. I also see a couple of names I saw at SVTperformance.....crazyhorse and milstang. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves by not mentioning this forum at one time or another. Well, I shouldn't be so quick on that one, you might have and like so many other times over there, I just couldn't read properly.

I'm an old Mustang owner from the late 60's, lost interest when the body style changed around 74 and the sight of the 05 started the juices flowing.....then the SHELBY came along, and I fell in love all over again. I'm not a hi-po guy any more - meaning I don't plan on modding anything - but I do plan on getting my hands on this new Shelby.....even if I have to pay above MSRP. Just don't know how many more shifts are left in these old legs, so gotta do what I gotta do. So like I've said many times....you can call me a fool....but call me a Happy one!!

 

Welcome! I hope you fulfill your dream.

BTW, anyone around here who pays over MSRP will be charged, prosecuted, and convicted for violating the best interests of TMS members which is punishable by death.

 

Yeah, I know....but I wasn't as fortuanate as some to find a "good" dealer and be in the first 5 names on the list. It's a long story, but I've been contacting as many SVT dealers that I can and haven't found one that sounds promising. I've had a couple of tips on some good dealers, but I would become #32 or #53 or so on a list....with a possibility of getting one in way down the road..... I'm not 30 something any more and can't wait that long. In fact those good dealers said that to get one now, because I did wait so long to get on a list, I would probably have to pay over MSRP. I'm trying.....but I'm not gonna let a couple thousand stand in my way if that that's what it takes. Now if some younger guy is willing to wait and give me their number, I would pay MSRP.....but I think I have a better chance of making snowballs in h-e-double l first.

 

Hey welcome to the site!

This site is what led me to SVTPerformance. Crazyhorse, Crispy23, and myself are just a few that visit that site now. I know V10 is on both but not sure which one he started on...

We have posted a few links from there back to here but not too many. This site is great and has a ton of info on it. Make sure you check out the high-performance section as well, it has a lot of Shelby stuff too.

 

MilStang,

Yeah, I'm beginning to see several familiar handles over here.....there's a few over on SVT that I hope don't find this one.

 

That is one of the things I love about this site. If a few of those guys pop up over here they will get smacked down by the mods...or the rest of the members here.

This site is a lot more cordial than most others.

 

I can see that!!

 

I spend 90% of my time here. I started here and found SVTPerformance from some of the guys on here.

This site is far better. The people don't squabble nearly as much.

 

I thought it was punishable by forcing them to drive the remainder of their days in a Giggly...er, I mean Geely.

What? Did we change this rule?

 

Welcome and hope you get that BIG ol 5.4

 

Welcome, mrGT. You sound like someone who can remember and appreciate the glory days of the muscle car. Just the kind of member we love here!

I sincerely wouldn't panic over the acquisition thing. We've had many threads and dialogues about this over the past few months, and the general wisdom is that with Ford building 7000 - 10000 (some say 13000) of these cars per year for a two to three year production run, you shouldn't have any trouble getting one at MSRP, if - and I emphasize IF - you're willing to let all the other "gotta have it now" people take the hit in the first several months.

Now if you absolutely, positively just have to get one now, that may well be a different story. Expect to hunt longer and pay more. I guess we're a bit spoiled here in Canada, because ADMs ("adjusted dealer markups") are strictly forbidden...illegal, actually - at least that's what my car salesmen friends tell me.

But I'm with you: I didn't like ANY of the Mustangs from 1975 to 2004 (except the '02 - '04 Cobras). No offense to Fox owners.

The '05 has definitely rekindled things with not only Mustang fans, but also across the industry, as witnessed by the new Challenger and Camaro concepts.

Again, good to have you here.

 

BTW, anyone around here who pays over MSRP will be charged, prosecuted, and convicted for violating the best interests of TMS members which is punishable by death.
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I smell a good 'ole fashioned lynchin'! :flame2:

 

New to the Forum as well, but wanted to let people know at Least from the Canadian side of the house...that Canada is supposedly getting later allocation than in the US. Donway Ford in Scarborough indicated that while I'm number two on the list they may not get their allotment until Middle to end of August possibly Beginning of October.

I beleive this may discourage some potential purchasers as the winter will be fast approaching and may make the bid to get a car somewhat less difficult. In the same breath the dealer did indicate he has 10 Paid Deposits behind mine, and 32 people on a Secondary waiting list (No deposit) I do think people are expecting this car much earlier in the summer and may opt out if it starts getting too late into fall!

In any case as said above fell into this fantastic site some time ago great people and great information on the Shelby like others my dream car!!

Hoping to see it locally at the Toronto Auto Show on February 17th!

Crossing my fingers!

Cheers,

Requis

Vista Blue Shelby
Painted White Stripes

Go Leafs!

 

God, I wish that the USA would have a rule like that, but this is a capitalistic country....and I fully understand how it works.

The old saying "Time is money", also implies that if you don't have much time, be prepared to spend the money. As you saw, I grew up with the "real" Mustangs, so putting 2 and 2 together, you can see that the amount of time I have left on this earth is a lot less than the majority of posters on this forum. So all things taken imto account, I'm a little different. I have no career, family, or debts staring me in the face....well, I've got some kids that think I should save every dollar I can....SO THEY CAN HAVE IT LATER. This Shelby will, more than likely, be the last Mustang I'll every own.....and I'm going to enjoy the heck out of it!! I guess I say all this so that those that don't know me, will have a little better appreciation when I say......if paying over MSRP for this car is what it takes, I'm prepared to do it. Ahhhhh, the "glory days" have returned at last!!!

THANKS to all for the welcoming......I've got a lot of learning to catch up on from all of you "young guns".

crazyhorse, a big THANKS to you for kinda taking me under your wing, so to speak.


Peace to All

 

No Problem. I think you will find most people in the "Mustang Community" helpful. It is one of those intangibles that come with the car.

The reason I, and others, have argued with you about paying AMV (mostly on SVTPerformance) isn't that we care how you spend your money. It is more that we are trying to discourage that to help ourselves. The fewer that pay it, the sooner the price of the cars go down. Like you have said before, the price is driven by supply and demand. Once dealers stop getting AMV, they will stop asking and begin to sell the cars at normal prices. If that one year of waiting is enough to spoil your experience, then spend your money.

I think you will see the cars available by the summer of '07 at normal to negotiable prices slightly below sticker. Unfortunately, I can't promise that. I'm basing that off prior experience. The Bullitts, Mach 1s and Cobras have all gone through this AMV to Rebate cycle. Each one was going to be limited and impossible to get ahold of. 6 months down the road they are sitting on lots and getting deals on them. Eventually, rebates were given (not sure of that on Bullitts). Even the 2005 Mustang GT has been hard to get and hard to get deals on. So we might get fooled and not get our cars. The Ford GT and the Z06 were also getting AMV and are now getting MSRP type deals. I find it hard to believe that a $40k Mustang won't follow the same pattern.

I think you may be surprised at the age of the rest of us. There was a thread a few years ago about it. IIRC, most of the people were at least in their 30s and several in 40s-60s range. I'll be 40 this year. When we toured the AAI plant, I was one of the youngest guys there.

Good luck with whatever happens.

 

Oh, rest assured, it's more or less the same here: capitalism rules. it's just that our government has installed a few cappers here and there to prevent uncontrolled greed from running rampant.

 

crazyhorse,

I completely understand what your saying about paying AMV and that is definitely the way to go about getting any price, not just the AMV ones, down. If everyone wanted the the Shelby to cost $35K, all everyone has to do is not pay the $40 and let the dealers sit on them for a while. (I have a buddy that wants exactly that, because he doesn't want to pay $40K)...but that ain't gonna happen. Too many are willing to pay $40K to get that to happen. Same thing with those of us that didn't get on some list at a dealers that is only going to ask MSRP.....so the only option, besides waiting, is to buy their way into the Shelby. As an example, I have yet to find one person who is basically guaranteed to get one at MSRP, offering up their spot to me so I won't pay AMV, attacking the "greedy" dealer. Why? Because they want theirs too.....they want me to wait. I wish I could wait, but life has a way of taking away that option. My goal now is to find that "least greedy" dealer. As is everything in life......It's all relative in this world.

I'm sure you are right about the fact that there are others on this board in my age range....but I find that the ones wanting to mod the car to get the maximum performance and the latest appearance are the young guns with money to burn....there is little to no return from building a street racer, only satisfaction. For the most part, those are the ones I see with post counts in the thousands. I think older ones just want to travel down memory lane and enjoy the ride. (if I'm wrong, maybe some of the 60-plus guns will respond.)

ps: I have to agree with you about the subtle difference you pointed out between MustangSource and SVTperformance forums....one is about sharing....the other adds an ingredient called "arguing"

pss: BC, you're becoming one of my favorites, too. THANKS

 

By all means go for it if you don't feel you can wait to get into one. Life is to be enjoyed, and at the end of the day you have to do what is right for you.

My problem with the AMVs is not only the principle of the thing, it's that it annoys me to watch greedy Ford dealers gouge customers as soon as ONE popular model comes along because the rest of their lineup is NOT selling well and the parent company (who are in financial trouble) have to consequently give away most of their other vehicles through rebates and cash back schemes and 0% financing. Toyota and Honda don't have to do this - nor do I see them endorsing such behavior - because their cars are selling well? Why? Quality and service is consistently high (by and large) across the lineup.

I also don't think the Shelby is worth more than what they are charging. Sure, it's got a big motor...an uprated suspension and handling package...and some cosmetic upgrades, but beyond that, you're being shafted by these dealers for a 90 cent badge that says "Shelby". And Carroll Shelby didn't even build the car. Now don't get me wrong, I love the thing. But if you elminate the passion element and just look at it with the right side of your brain, the car is not particularly refined compared to much of its global competition, and cetainly not worthy of a $15K AMV.

As I've said many times before (as have others here), try getting that AMV value back if you trade the car back into the dealership in six months. You won't. They'll probably offer you about $25K for the car - after you paid $55K to get into it. Cars are a bad enough investment as it is without bending over for that kind of nonsense.

But a I said, eveyone is in a different situation and views these things differently. If time is against you here, then my comments are meaningless.

It's just my 2 cents.

 

Hey Hey MrGT, good to see ya over here Sorry could'nt help you more but where there's a will there's a way Good hunting....Cars will be available

 

BC,

I do appreciate your comments and they are not meaningless.....and just because I say I'm willing to pay over MSRP, does not mean that I condone it for everyone. I despise greedy "anybodys".....from the Ford dealers, to the natural gas company, to the doctors, to the oil companies, to the banks, to the realtors, etc. In other words, there are plenty of greedy people out there.

I will not pay more than $5K over MSRP and that is one of my problems with finding a Shelby. To me, it's worth $45K. Maybe not to others, but it is to me. (It all stems from my love of the Shelby Mustang from years ago,) If the sticker would have come out at $45K, I wouldn't even look if I had to pay AMV, because that's the value I set in my mind way back when. I feel that all those who modded out there cars will not get back all they've put into the car either....even if they did all the mechanic work themselves. But they mod because the like to do it, they like the attention it brings, and it makes them happy. If you would look at the "after market" suppliers closely, I'd bet you'd find they have a "greedy" streak in them too....wanting to sell their items at the highest prices. That is unless you have an in with them.....just like some do buying the Shelby with their Ford dealers.

Toyota and Honda kinda do this a little.....at the beginning the prices are higher in September than they are in June. I know for a fact that you it's very hard to buy a new Lexus below MSRP in Sept, but wait until June and the discounts start showing up....to clear the lots. And when Lexus fist brought out their new GS430 and IS350, they were going for more than MSRP here, because they were in demand and short in supply.....sound familiar?

Life goes on. I'm sure we've all knowingly made bad investments.....from financial to love....at one time or another in our lives. But we've all survived. Life is short,

THANKS for the feedback.....and THANKS for the courtesy of discussion. When defending one's position, it forces one to re-examine their position in the discourse of that defense.....it's the one's that blindly defend because they "know" they are right that have the higher percentage of failure. I learn a little more about myself every day.