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Old 7/5/06 | 07:02 PM
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not sure which it is, i don't recall seeing a shiny shifter in the SAP, but that image you linked to said it had PTP and i've heard you couldn't have both at the same time or something to that extent.
Old 7/5/06 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Anomalus1
not sure which it is, i don't recall seeing a shiny shifter in the SAP
Here's a pic of the SAP with the shiny shift ****. You can tell this is the SAP because of the black seats & carpet.
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Old 7/5/06 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Tres Wright
Quite true, but I was quoting from the 2007 order guide. It states in 3 different places in the order guide that the SAP has a "bright shift **** w/ manual transmission". I don't think a black leather shift **** qualifies as "bright" But who knows, maybe they decided at the last minute to only put the shiny version in the PTP. Or maybe for some reason that car has the wrong one in it.
I think the "bright" refers to the light-colored aluminum looking piece on top of the black manual transmission shifter. I checked back in the '06 order guide and the same terminology was used to describe the shifter for both the IUP and ISAP.

I am thinking "premier trim" is the only option that gets the trim ring and aluminum shifter.
Old 7/5/06 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tres Wright
Here's a pic of the SAP with the shiny shift ****. You can tell this is the SAP because of the black seats & carpet.
It might be the IUP because the door handles and vent doors are aluminum colored. I don't think you get those in the ISAP.

Hmmm...this is confusing!
Old 7/5/06 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Alonso
It might be the IUP because the door handles are aluminum colored. I don't think you get those in the ISAP.

Hmmm...this is confusing!
exactly, plus the trims are white/silver/gray, and not black. Tres, what you're posting is still the PTP, there's like 4 or so versions of it.
Old 7/5/06 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Alonso
It might be the IUP because the door handles and vent doors are aluminum colored. I don't think you get those in the ISAP.

Hmmm...this is confusing!
Yeah, but you don't get the shiny shift **** with the IUP!!! I've seen several pics of '07's with IUP that did not have that ****.
Old 7/5/06 | 08:34 PM
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exactly, plus the trims are white/silver/gray, and not black. Tres, what you're posting is still the PTP, there's like 4 or so versions of it.
Nope, the PTP is like the old ICAP interior. It is an all black interior with accent colored seats and door panel inserts. The SAP on the other hand is like the pic I posted above, black carpet & seats with accent colored door panels, console & dash. I'll post a pic of the PTP in a few minutes....
Old 7/5/06 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Tres Wright
Nope, the PTP is like the old ICAP interior. It is an all black interior with accent colored seats and door panel inserts. The SAP on the other hand is like the pic I posted above, black carpet & seats with accent colored door panels, console & dash. I'll post a pic of the PTP in a few minutes....
http://www.lotpro.com/cars/2007/ford/mustang/options/ <--- go there, read the UPs. The SAP does not have accent panels (black only), or console, nor dash. The PTP with color accents do.
Old 7/5/06 | 08:39 PM
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Here are pics of the PTP interior lifted from other threads.

By the way, all the info I've posted is straight out of the '07 order guide including the description of the SAP interior (black carpet, black seats).
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Old 7/5/06 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Anomalus1
http://www.lotpro.com/cars/2007/ford/mustang/options/ <--- go there, read the UPs. The SAP does not have accent panels (black only)
Exactly. The door panel inserts, seats and carpet are black. It's the REST of the door panel that is the accent color. This is the opposite of the PTP which has accent colored door panel insets with the rest of the door panel being black. Review the photos above and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Old 7/5/06 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Tres Wright
Exactly. The door panel inserts, seats and carpet are black. It's the REST of the door panel that is the accent color. This is the opposite of the PTP which has accent colored door panel insets with the rest of the door panel being black. Review the photos above and you'll see what I'm talking about.
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showthread.php?t=49329 <--- go there and look at other cars with PTP, they are black also. PTP does not mean the seats and carpet can't be black.
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Originally Posted by Tres Wright
Yeah, but you don't get the shiny shift **** with the IUP!!! I've seen several pics of '07's with IUP that did not have that ****.
Yes, exactly, you get that shiny shift **** with Premier trim! I think that is the IUP with Premier trim (should have clarified that in my previous post). I am looking at the order guide again and the only requirement for Premier is leather.

Thoughts?
Old 7/5/06 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Alonso
Yes, exactly, you get that shiny shift know with Premier trim! I think that is the IUP with Premier trim (should have clarified that in my previous post). I am looking at the order guide again and the only requirement for Premier is leather.

Thoughts?
The grey with black seats pic is the IUP with SAP, not PTP. You can get the IUP with either the SAP or PTP (but not both). The one difference is you can get the SAP without IUP, but you must have the IUP if you want the PTP! And it is indeed very confusing It took a lot of digging to get this all sorted out.
Old 7/5/06 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tres Wright
The grey with black seats pic is the IUP with SAP, not PTP. You can get the IUP with either the SAP or PTP (but not both). The one difference is you can get the SAP without IUP, but you must have the IUP if you want the PTP! And it is indeed very confusing It took a lot of digging to get this all sorted out.
SAP can not have IUP. IUP can not have Sap
Old 7/5/06 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Tres Wright
The grey with black seats pic is the IUP with SAP, not PTP. You can get the IUP with either the SAP or PTP (but not both). The one difference is you can get the SAP without IUP, but you must have the IUP if you want the PTP! And it is indeed very confusing It took a lot of digging to get this all sorted out.
You sure about being able to get IUP and SAP together? In the table listed on http://www.lotpro.com/cars/2007/ford/mustang/options/, it says that SAP is not available with IUP or PTP.

I am still scratching my head!

By the way, I ordered a car with SAP and no IUP in light graphite. I am not expecting to see the aluminum shift **** or trim ring. This is still mysterious!
Old 7/5/06 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Alonso
You sure about being able to get IUP and SAP together? In the table listed on http://www.lotpro.com/cars/2007/ford/mustang/options/, it says that SAP is not available with IUP or PTP.

I am still scratching my head!

By the way, I ordered a car with SAP and no IUP in light graphite. I am not expecting to see the aluminum shift **** or trim ring. This is still mysterious!
I hear ya When i ordered my 06, i told them to load that beast up with everything and then show me. I would point out what i didn't want and the package disappeared. Luckily, i didn't have to mess with PTP either
Old 7/5/06 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Anomalus1
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showthread.php?t=49329 <--- go there and look at other cars with PTP, they are black also. PTP does not mean the seats and carpet can't be black.
Good grief, I'm talking to a wall here! I'll try one last time, if this doesn't convince you then we'll just have to agree to disagree. The PTP does NOT have black seats, unless it is ordered in all black. At least one guy on these forums did just that. The "accent color" can be black, and the result is there really is no accent color. So you get the other PTP features, but an all black interior. If you choose any other color, the seats are NOT black. Here is the description straight out of the order guide:

PREMIER TRIM WITH COLOR ACCENT PACKAGE (68B)��
Requires:
• 18G Interior Upgrade Pkg and GT leather seats (K)
Includes:
• Aluminum Pedal Covers
• Chamois, Red, Black, Dove and Parchment sport bucket leather front and
rear seating surfaces with matching color front door trim inserts and floor
mats
• Dark Charcoal interior environment with Dark Charcoal carpet
• Satin aluminum-plated shift lever with automatic transmission or bright shift
**** with manual transmission
• Wrapped and stitched instrument panel brow, console lid, upgraded door
arm rests


Note that it clearly states the seats are the trim color (chamois, red, black, dove or parchment) with matching color front door trim inserts.

OK, now the SAP. Here is the description from the order guide:

SPORT APPEARANCE PACKAGE W/COLOR ACCENT (18M)��
Includes:
• Aluminum Pedal Covers
• Black interior components providing contrast with Graphite or Parchment
interiors
• Leather-wrapped steering wheel with satin aluminum spokes
• Satin aluminum-plated shift lever with automatic transmission or bright shift
**** with manual transmission

Also listed for SAP:

Sport Appearance Package w/color accent (incl. leather-wrapped
steering wheel w/satin aluminum spokes, aluminum pedal covers, satin
aluminum-plated shifter lever w/automatic or bright shift know w/manual
transmission plus Black interior components (seats, carpet, mats, and
front door panel inserts), Cloth or leather seats providing contrast in
Graphite & Parchment Interiors


This clearly states that the SAP has black seats and black carpet. It also states that it is available in two colors, graphite & parchment. The SAP is the base model interior (graphite or parchment), except with black floor mats, seats and carpet. Note that the above descriptions match the photos I have posted EXACTLY. The grey with black seats photo is clearly the SAP and the chamois picture is the PTP.
Old 7/5/06 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Alonso
You sure about being able to get IUP and SAP together? In the table listed on http://www.lotpro.com/cars/2007/ford/mustang/options/, it says that SAP is not available with IUP or PTP.
I've never seen that web site until you guys posted it here, but I can say that in dealing with a dealership on my '07 order that the info on '07's is hard to come by right now. I would not put any faith into anything other than the Ford ordering system. If you combine packages and they cannot go together, the computer will generate a message about the conflict. I do know that there is some bad info on the KBB site regarding order combos, so it's safe to assume that "lotpro" probably has some errors as well. I'll see if I can find the thread where one of the guys ordered the SAP and IUP together, he did say it went through. Plus the grey/ black pic I posted shows the SAP with IUP.
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Originally Posted by Tres Wright
Good grief, I'm talking to a wall here! I'll try one last time, if this doesn't convince you then we'll just have to agree to disagree. The PTP does NOT have black seats, unless it is ordered in all black. At least one guy on these forums did just that. The "accent color" can be black, and the result is there really is no accent color. So you get the other PTP features, but an all black interior. If you choose any other color, the seats are NOT black. Here is the description straight out of the order guide:

PREMIER TRIM WITH COLOR ACCENT PACKAGE (68B)��
Requires:
18G Interior Upgrade Pkg and GT leather seats (K)
Includes:
Aluminum Pedal Covers
Chamois, Red, Black, Dove and Parchment sport bucket leather front and
rear seating surfaces with matching color front door trim inserts and floor
mats
Dark Charcoal interior environment with Dark Charcoal carpet <-- (almost black, hard to see difference without an extreme closeup shot.)
Satin aluminum-plated shift lever with automatic transmission or bright shift
**** with manual transmission
Wrapped and stitched instrument panel brow, console lid, upgraded door
arm rests


Note that it clearly states the seats are the trim color (chamois, red, black, dove or parchment) with matching color front door trim inserts.

OK, now the SAP. Here is the description from the order guide:

SPORT APPEARANCE PACKAGE W/COLOR ACCENT (18M)��
Includes:
Aluminum Pedal Covers
Black interior components providing contrast with Graphite or Parchment
interiors
Leather-wrapped steering wheel with satin aluminum spokes
Satin aluminum-plated shift lever with automatic transmission or bright shift
**** with manual transmission

Also listed for SAP:

Sport Appearance Package w/color accent (incl. leather-wrapped
steering wheel w/satin aluminum spokes, aluminum pedal covers, satin
aluminum-plated shifter lever w/automatic or bright shift know w/manual
transmission plus Black interior components (seats, carpet, mats, and
front door panel inserts), Cloth or leather seats providing contrast in
Graphite & Parchment Interiors


This clearly states that the SAP has black seats and black carpet. It also states that it is available in two colors, graphite & parchment. The SAP is the base model interior (graphite or parchment), except with black floor mats, seats and carpet. Note that the above descriptions match the photos I have posted EXACTLY. The grey with black seats photo is clearly the SAP and the chamois picture is the PTP.
and your pic fits more with the PTP (see highlights) since it has the aluminum console lid that is required with IUP, plus it looks to be stitched. SAP does not.
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and your pic fits more with the PTP (see highlights) since it has the aluminum console lid that is required with IUP, plus it looks to be stitched. SAP does not.
I don't follow, what do you mean by "aluminum console lid"? The PTP has a wrapped & stitched console lid (it's still being debated as to whether it's real or fake leather), the SAP doesn't. Or at least it's not listed as having it in the order guide. The black seats in the PTP are only available if black is selected as the trim color, and then as mentioned the entire interior is black. The "trim" color consists of the seats and the door panel inserts. Ford defines the door panel insert as the upholstered area around the armrest. This is consistent with the above photos, the SAP has a black door panel insert, the PTP has a trim color insert (chamois in the above pic).


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