gotmy05

Uhh, an RX-7 is not rice. Neither is the Z, NSX, Supra, among others, none of those are rice either.
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What are you kidding me..... If it don't say Ford GM or Chrysler on the door its rice with a capitol R

KansasCityTim

What are you kidding me..... If it don't say Ford GM or Chrysler on the door its rice with a capitol R
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Are you serious? Are you missing a jester? By your definition, Ferraris, Lambos, and Porsches would be rice. Yes, I have decided you are joking.

rony1976

Besides, RX7, isn't that a FORD company?!?!? That's what I thought, I might be wrong...

Section8

Mazda is owned by Ford now yes, but they were not when the RX7 was designed.

You guys can decide if my car is rice or not:

bpmurr

That is not rice by any means. Rice refers to import cars that have stupid mods that don't do anything to help the car. The same could be said for people here that put on non functional hood and side scoops. People throw rice around here too loosely.

Colvindesign

ahhhh, the old domestic vs improts battle.....

WHen I had my 97 civic, it made decent power (dynoed 199 hp to the wrong wheels) and I had no problems with 97 and older GTs. Granted I had a lot more invested but I did get better mileage and much better handling (coilovers). But it was ust not what I wanted. I tried it and so I can say it is no comparison to having torque at 2500 rpm. It is really no comparison to having a lot of torque, and a lot of power all the way through the range.

However, I don't like it when people bash them for what they are.... Modified cars. Granted there are some out there that are all stock save for the 5 inch exhaust and CAI and then they have 8000 into the body and TVs and PS2s etc.... But even back in the 50s, they had that, then they were called Customs, the ones modified to run were called Hot Rods. So seriously, if you guys don't like it, then you should also be bashing the people who did it 50 years ago and started everything good about cars. Until then, no american company even thought of making a sports car or a fast car. Without the Customs and Hot Rods of the 50s I would say the Vette and the Mustang would probably not be here today.

Sure it is weird when it's FWD, but that is just innovation. Maybe also, you can attribute all these modified FWD cars to making the factories go back to RWD. Because the execs and designers may have been looking at these modified fwd cars that have 10k into the engine and run 13 secs. Maybe they see that fwd is not the way to go after seeign the modified examples. So maybe you should be thankful that these guys did it and proved to Detroit that rwd is the way to go.

I guess I am just against bashing people, period. You don't know these people, they have every right in the world to do whatever they want to their own car. It is not like they are taking a mint condition 93 cobra R and painting it flat black and putting 20 inch bling bling rims and molding in the ground effects and adding bondo fender flares.
Seriously to each his own. So it's not your thing, good fine great, not my thing either, but at least I have built a couple and owned one to see what it was about.

JustAnotherDude

bpmurr: Yeah, that'd be my definition of Rice, too. Throw all sorts of funky looking kits to your car that does nothing for performance. Common with japanese cars but as you say, some people rice their Mustangs too.

Around here, it's pretty popular to slap an M-pack to your BMW 3-series. You know, skirts, wheels, the lot. WTF, what's the point if you still have a stock 320 (or worse, 318) underneath? Throw the money on better suspension and a new exhaust instead.

gotmy05

It don't matter to me cause I'd rather push my stang than drive any import.

sranger

I usually do not comment on the Import VS domestic debates because I actually like both of them...

However, there are a few imports that can hand a Mustang GT it's hat is stock form. At 300hp, the Mustang is simply in the top 20% of the performance curve. If you mod it up to say 400hp, you are probablt solidly in the top 10%... ( numbers are estimaed, but reasonable )

Nitros is the great equalizer. It can give you super charger performance without the parisitic power drain. I guess the big difference is reliability. These tuners do not tend to last long due to the high revs they have to put out to make big HP numbers. I doubt that most imports moded to take a Stock Mustang GT will last over 10-25k miles without significant problems. You can certianly make an import have high hp numbers and be reliable, but is usually cost significantly more than a V8 to achieve the same results because you typicaly have to replace almost every component in the engine to make it reliable.

My guess is that if you put the same aftermarket $$$ in a mustang and import, few imports would be able to out pereform it... And those that could probably would not last long...

rony1976

Sranger said something I always argue... if I spend the $$$ that you (a rice driver) have spent in your car, you couldn't touch me.. some people say, a Corvette would kick your butt... ok, let me put another $25K in the car, to match up the price range, and the corvette couldn't touch me! Then they say, put a turbo in a corvette... ok, give me the difference on how much he spent between car + upgrades, and they would probably not touch the mustang either.
Rice drivers should be respected for what they accomplish at the track and on the streets, granted, the muffles and some mods are annoying to listen/look at, but if we spend as much as they spend on the upgrades, there's no way the mustang can be touched. Overall, I think it's one of the best cars to mod and get great results out of it.

holderca1

Mazda is owned by Ford now yes, but they were not when the RX7 was designed.

You guys can decide if my car is rice or not:
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Ford has owned 25% part of Mazda since 1979. They increased that to 33% in 1992.

Section8

This is a very good point, especially for those looking to modify on a budget. I would have to dump about $3K-$3300 into my car to push it up around 330rwhp reliably (up from 255)

Now dump that money into a modern V8 and I'm sure you'll get more than a 75hp gain.

My GT will actually be for my wife, and 300hp will be more than enough for her, but it's going to be very hard for me NOT to do some bolt ons to the car

Section8

Ford has owned 25% part of Mazda since 1979. They increased that to 33% in 1992.
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I stand corrected, I didn't realize they've had a stake in Mazda for so long.

holderca1

But Mazda has been using a Rotary engine before Ford got involved.

SixtySix

The voice of experience always rules the day

Yeah, the term gets thrown around loosely and far too often at a lot of online Mustang communities. It's a way of life I guess

I do know that there are some wolves in sheeps clothing out there, problem is they're few and far between.

If the Mustang didn't come out, I'd be working on a 98' Civic right now, But I'm glad that didn't happen

moc1976

My quick comment on this: I had a 2001 Acura CL S, and while it was close in HP to the 300 (it had 260) on the GT, the two cars do not even compare. It was front wheel drive (torque steer) and had little torque. It was a very nice car (prolly nicer interior than the Stang) but I will never go back to a high HP low torque, rev-happy engine, well maybe as my daily driver : )

On the rice front - I agree, it looks stupid and I would never do it, but this is the USA and people can do whatever the F they want to their cars. Do I laugh at them - Yes, but do I bash them on here - No. On a side note, I can't wait to eat some RICE!

edcrbnsoul

holderca1

What are you kidding me..... If it don't say Ford GM or Chrysler on the door its rice with a capitol R
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Actually you can't even include Chrysler in there anymore since they are owned by the Germans.

05stangster

I like it!

gotmy05

I stand corrected, I didn't realize they've had a stake in Mazda for so long.
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That was only the truck line and the probe