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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 04:14 AM
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 04:24 AM
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Man, Chrysler must have come a long way from making Al Bundy's Dodge from Married with Children.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 04:53 AM
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 05:03 AM
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I drove my bosses 300C. It was nice, but to beat out the Stang and Vett, is a little crazy IMO.

FYI - My boss had to take his 300C back to the dealer because #8 cylinder wasn't firing right-lol
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 06:47 AM
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boooooooooooooooo
I think a year later, if they were to reconsider, it would be the mustang. This 300 is a fad. Its gonna pull a thunderbird. The mustang will be going strong! They better at least give the mustang mad props in the write up.

Did anyone catch the Top Gear where they all decided the 300 couldn't handle or brake, and all the electronics were too invasive? Lets see what those guys say about the stang...
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by mustang_sallad@November 18, 2004, 7:50 AM
boooooooooooooooo
I think a year later, if they were to reconsider, it would be the mustang. This 300 is a fad. Its gonna pull a thunderbird. The mustang will be going strong! They better at least give the mustang mad props in the write up.

Did anyone catch the Top Gear where they all decided the 300 couldn't handle or brake, and all the electronics were too invasive? Lets see what those guys say about the stang...
Family sedans are not fads.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 06:55 AM
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blah. lol. my dad almost bought one of those a few months ago... he ended up with a honda though.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:01 AM
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I wonder if the Chrysler got 25,000 orders before production even started like the Mustang did.

I know that car is popular but do owners get stopped in parking lots to for people to day "man that's the car of my dreams" like what happened to me yesterday with my GT? I doubt it. :bang:
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:01 AM
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We shouldn't be surprised. Motor Trend has given the award to such wonderful vehicles in the past as: 1960-Chevy Corvair, 1963 AMC Rambler, 1971 Chevy Vega, 1972 Citroen SM, 1974 Ford Mustang II, 1975 Chevy Monza, 1976 Dodge/Plymouth Aspen/Volare, 1978 Dodge/Plymouth Omni/Horizon, 1980 Chevy Citation, 1981 The Chrysler K-Cars, 1983 Renault Alliance, 1995 Chrysler Cirrus, 1996 Dodge Caravan, 1997 Chevy Malibu, 2001 PT Cruiser, and 2004 Toyota Prius. They don't always get it right, and the preceeding list shows they often get it very wrong (The K-Cars won for crying out loud!!!). To be fair, I like the 300. I like that it's a family sedan with rear wheel drive. If I had a family and couldn't buy a Crown Vic, I would take a serious look at it. But in a year where the two most famous name plates in American cars have brand new models, it doesn't deserve the Car of the Year title.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:04 AM
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That's lame.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:09 AM
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All what matters is what we, mustang enthusiasts think about in our car. If the majority of people love it then it is a winner for us.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by Retardking@November 18, 2004, 8:04 AM
We shouldn't be surprised. Motor Trend has given the award to such wonderful vehicles in the past as: 1960-Chevy Corvair, 1963 AMC Rambler, 1971 Chevy Vega, 1972 Citroen SM, 1974 Ford Mustang II, 1975 Chevy Monza, 1976 Dodge/Plymouth Aspen/Volare, 1978 Dodge/Plymouth Omni/Horizon, 1980 Chevy Citation, 1981 The Chrysler K-Cars, 1983 Renault Alliance, 1995 Chrysler Cirrus, 1996 Dodge Caravan, 1997 Chevy Malibu, 2001 PT Cruiser, and 2004 Toyota Prius. They don't always get it right, and the preceeding list shows they often get it very wrong (The K-Cars won for crying out loud!!!). To be fair, I like the 300. I like that it's a family sedan with rear wheel drive. If I had a family and couldn't buy a Crown Vic, I would take a serious look at it. But in a year where the two most famous name plates in American cars have brand new models, it doesn't deserve the Car of the Year title.
I've got to say I was pretty P.O.'d about this but now that you bring up their previous acts of stupidity, I'm feeling much better. I still can't believe it though. That thing is the ugliest hunk of steel to come out of detroit in quite some time. And yes I included the Aztek in that decision.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:46 AM
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Lame.

I personally like the 300C alot, but it's certainly no 05 Mustang.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:57 AM
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I think one reason may be that most peole haven't even seen a Mustang yet . The 300 has been out for quite some time and has had more exposure.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 07:57 AM
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I just meant that people will get tired of the styling on this thing. Its different, but if you look at it out of context, its not that nice a looker. Its got some muscle, for sure, but the mustang has muscle without being ugly by any means. I think after a year or so, we'll be used to seeing 300s around, and we'll really start to notice that its not that good looking a car.
On the other hand, it is a big, rwd v8 sedan that's not too expensive, and has some pretty cool tech, like the cylinder de-activation. I think if i wasn't completely biased, i might agree with their decision. MIGHT.
Either way, i'll bet it was a tough call, i bet some of the guys on the team were voting mustang.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 08:02 AM
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I haven't heard any stories of people following trucks of 300s to Chrysler dealerships or of 300s causing accidents because people were staring at them and not paying attention to the road like I have with the new Mustang.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by mustang_sallad@November 18, 2004, 9:00 AM
I just meant that people will get tired of the styling on this thing. Its different, but if you look at it out of context, its not that nice a looker. Its got some muscle, for sure, but the mustang has muscle without being ugly by any means. I think after a year or so, we'll be used to seeing 300s around, and we'll really start to notice that its not that good looking a car.
On the other hand, it is a big, rwd v8 sedan that's not too expensive, and has some pretty cool tech, like the cylinder de-activation. I think if i wasn't completely biased, i might agree with their decision. MIGHT.
Either way, i'll bet it was a tough call, i bet some of the guys on the team were voting mustang.
The "muscle" is only on the 300C. The regular 300 has a 190 HP DOHC V6. And the Touring and Limited models have a 250 HP SOHC V6.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by mustang_sallad@November 18, 2004, 10:00 AM
I just meant that people will get tired of the styling on this thing. Its different, but if you look at it out of context, its not that nice a looker. Its got some muscle, for sure, but the mustang has muscle without being ugly by any means. I think after a year or so, we'll be used to seeing 300s around, and we'll really start to notice that its not that good looking a car.
On the other hand, it is a big, rwd v8 sedan that's not too expensive, and has some pretty cool tech, like the cylinder de-activation. I think if i wasn't completely biased, i might agree with their decision. MIGHT.
Either way, i'll bet it was a tough call, i bet some of the guys on the team were voting mustang.
I think the thing about the 300 (besides the big V8, RWD config) is that it redefined the proportions of the sedan. The high belt line and low, chopped-looking roof evokes the look of a kustom lead sled more than a boring 4 door sedan.

Still, the mustang is a revolutionary redesign, the 300 will likely occupy the same place in history as the first Dodge Intrepid that introduced that cab-forward design idea.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by Retardking@November 18, 2004, 8:04 AM
We shouldn't be surprised. Motor Trend has given the award to such wonderful vehicles in the past as: 1960-Chevy Corvair, 1963 AMC Rambler, 1971 Chevy Vega, 1972 Citroen SM, 1974 Ford Mustang II, 1975 Chevy Monza, 1976 Dodge/Plymouth Aspen/Volare, 1978 Dodge/Plymouth Omni/Horizon, 1980 Chevy Citation, 1981 The Chrysler K-Cars, 1983 Renault Alliance, 1995 Chrysler Cirrus, 1996 Dodge Caravan, 1997 Chevy Malibu, 2001 PT Cruiser, and 2004 Toyota Prius. They don't always get it right, and the preceeding list shows they often get it very wrong (The K-Cars won for crying out loud!!!). To be fair, I like the 300. I like that it's a family sedan with rear wheel drive. If I had a family and couldn't buy a Crown Vic, I would take a serious look at it. But in a year where the two most famous name plates in American cars have brand new models, it doesn't deserve the Car of the Year title.
True, but they also named 2004 Truck of the Year Ford F-150.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 08:15 AM
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How many Chrysler 300 fansites with hitrates going through the roof and forums with postings every minute of the day were there alright..?
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