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Old 1/14/07 | 08:58 PM
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Was this on Sunday? God was telling you to go to church, lol.
Old 1/14/07 | 08:59 PM
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man sorry to see that, i remember one time when i had a bent axle and drove with it on a Chevelle. one time a guy on the highway started yelling at me "your wheel is falling off!" glad your ok and good luck with your repairs.
Old 1/15/07 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Cavero
Just the one. Your axle get messed up at all?

Anyone think the car is particularly unsafe to drive or that i'm going to cause serious damage to it by driving slow and steady 9 miles to work? I don't have many options for transportation right now. I didn't opt for rental coverage, and I can't afford a week or two of a rental car at even the discount $24 a day. By the time the insurance company looks at it and I get the check and whatnot, It's probably going to be 2 weeks before it's done.

Also, anyone have any idea how long it might take once the thing is in the shop, based on the pics?
Yeah had to replace rear sway bar, shocks, axle and a couple other things. When I drove it up to the dealership it sounded like an axe getting sharpened after every rotation of the wheel. I didn't drive it over 40 on the road.
If i were you I would take the rental. Your insurance should cover it completely.
It took ford a couple of weeks to do all of my repairs. I bet you broke more than you think.
BTW about how old are you? Funny that when I posted about a wreck just like this everyone attributed it to how young and inexperienced I was. Just an observation.
Old 1/15/07 | 10:44 AM
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If i were you I would take the rental. Your insurance should cover it completely.
Not if he didn't buy rental car coverage! (speaking from experience)

I'd be VERRY careful that the rear end isn't affected in other ways (no grinding or off-kilter angles) so that you don't fry your differential. Those aren't cheap!

Good luck with repairs, I feel your pain when it comes to having a hurt Pony! (sympathy)
Old 1/15/07 | 10:48 AM
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too bad that you hurt your car. atleast there weren't any other people or cars around.



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looks like you fit in nicely.
Old 1/15/07 | 10:48 AM
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Expect a big hike in your insurance premium. Most auto insurance plans don't work the same way as group health insurance.
If you go to the doctor using a group health insurance policy, you pay a co-pay and get full coverage without seeing a hike in your premium. If you get bodywork done using your auto insurance policy, the premium will jump up the next rating period (usually the year after).

Been there, done that. Just pay for it yourself and leave the insurance company out of it.
Old 1/15/07 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by NJ3
From the looks of this pic, I'd say the panhard bar attachment point on the axel hosing is cracked or bent. Good luck with the repairs.
Not very experienced with working on RWD...mind pointing it out?

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You just described by first auto accident 24 years ago in an 1979 TA, and like you I only ended up on a curb, but broke the axle and moved the rear end over a couple of inches.

I hope your car is ok and it is only a few tweaked parts that need replacing.
Ouch, glad my axle is still in tact.

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Was this on Sunday? God was telling you to go to church, lol.
Friday. Maybe He thought I was jewish?

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Yeah had to replace rear sway bar, shocks, axle and a couple other things. When I drove it up to the dealership it sounded like an axe getting sharpened after every rotation of the wheel. I didn't drive it over 40 on the road.
If i were you I would take the rental. Your insurance should cover it completely.
It took ford a couple of weeks to do all of my repairs. I bet you broke more than you think.
BTW about how old are you? Funny that when I posted about a wreck just like this everyone attributed it to how young and inexperienced I was. Just an observation.
Mine seems to be making noise when I'm braking from the affected wheel, and squeaks whenever I turn to the right. Well, my age...23.

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Not if he didn't buy rental car coverage! (speaking from experience)

I'd be VERRY careful that the rear end isn't affected in other ways (no grinding or off-kilter angles) so that you don't fry your differential. Those aren't cheap!

Good luck with repairs, I feel your pain when it comes to having a hurt Pony! (sympathy)
Bingo! Didn't sign up for it because at the time I still had my Monte Carlo as a backup car. Due to unforseen circumstances, I had to loan the car to my family about 400 miles away, so here I am. Unfortunately, I had no choice but to drive the car to work today, will have to do the same tomorrow. I'm meeting the claims adjuster wednesday to have a lookover done, so I'll have to drive it out there. Then to the dealer. Wednesday I'm securing a ride with a co-worker.

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too bad that you hurt your car. atleast there weren't any other people or cars around.

<(DC drivers are morons.)>
looks like you fit in nicely.
I opened myself up for that...

Originally Posted by metroplex
Expect a big hike in your insurance premium. Most auto insurance plans don't work the same way as group health insurance.
If you go to the doctor using a group health insurance policy, you pay a co-pay and get full coverage without seeing a hike in your premium. If you get bodywork done using your auto insurance policy, the premium will jump up the next rating period (usually the year after).

Been there, done that. Just pay for it yourself and leave the insurance company out of it.
Too late...according to them, there's only a small chance of an increase. no one hurt, no other vehicles, minimal damage compared with what it could have been.

Looks like wednesday's the day this process gets rollin!
Old 1/15/07 | 05:47 PM
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That would explain why the rear is off center too. It's hard to be sure from that picture.
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Old 1/16/07 | 02:36 PM
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I don't remember seeing any cracks while I was under there, and from this close up, it appears to be more of a lighting issue.

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Old 1/16/07 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cavero
I don't remember seeing any cracks while I was under there, and from this close up, it appears to be more of a lighting issue.

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Yea, that's a much clearer image. I thought that may have been part of the reason the rear is shifted. But you'll know soon enough.
Old 1/16/07 | 07:06 PM
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I think you are looking at a new axle housing at the least. If the brackets are bent (likely), the dealer likely won't be equipped to do any thing about it, short of a new axle housing. Panard bar may also be bent. The anchor bracket on the uni-body may be knocked out of position as well. Something the body shop can do something about.
Old 1/16/07 | 08:06 PM
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You know what they say. If it's broke, UPGRADE!

Time for a built 8.8 or 9 and full BMR suspension!
Old 1/16/07 | 08:09 PM
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Some good tires will prevent this also.
The F1's are sticky in the rain.
Old 1/16/07 | 08:33 PM
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Sorry about the incident, I guess most have it covered for advice.

But I will stand up for you, after 500,000 accident-free miles, 27 owned (4 wheeled)vehicles and driven at least 10,000 cars and trucks:

The GT(and V6 pony) Pirellis are absolute junk in the rain, and are about as hard compound as a skateboard tire. I can't stand them. Michelin Pilot series or BFG KDW's are much better. You often have to be on top of your game in the rain with them, particularly when the temperatures are under 50 degrees. I would actually label them as dangerous tires, by design. I have had many sets of tires that are legally bald that do much better even at normal driving speeds in the rain then these do new(not to mention on much lest competent vehicles).
Old 1/17/07 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by kevinb120
The GT(and V6 pony) Pirellis are absolute junk in the rain, and are about as hard compound as a skateboard tire. I can't stand them. Michelin Pilot series or BFG KDW's are much better. You often have to be on top of your game in the rain with them, particularly when the temperatures are under 50 degrees. I would actually label them as dangerous tires, by design. I have had many sets of tires that are legally bald that do much better even at normal driving speeds in the rain then these do new(not to mention on much lest competent vehicles).

I was wondering about this sort of thing. I've owned plenty of rear-wheel drive cars in the past, through more than a few New England winters, and reading this and another post I had started to wonder if it was anything to do with the car being a performance ride versus my old clunkers in terms of losing control. If there was a lot of opinion that the tires are suspect in the rain then I would feel better about what to expect from "just another RWD car", versus "uh-oh these performance ponies like to spin out just for fun in the average rain puddle".
Old 1/17/07 | 08:58 AM
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The f/r balance is much better on the new car then the S-197. Its definately the tires, they have much more to do with foul weather performance then anything. My old SVTF had terrible tires for the snow and even the Pirellis on the Mustang do better, but with blizzaks on it the Foci was practically an awd rally racer with them on.
Old 1/17/07 | 10:25 AM
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Cavero, I am sorry this happened to you I wish you the best while going through the repair process, just be glad your OK. Look on the bright side this is the exact same thing that happened to me in my accident (though when I spun out and another car hit me) and as a result my car had to be totaled. I am really considering paying the extra now for the upgraded wheels as there are far to many people who agree that the Pirelli's suck in the wet weather. Again my condolences.
Old 1/17/07 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NJ3
Yea, that's a much clearer image. I thought that may have been part of the reason the rear is shifted. But you'll know soon enough.
Tomorrow I think. Found out tonight that the dealer can't do frame work, so I have to find a good body shop in the area.

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I think you are looking at a new axle housing at the least. If the brackets are bent (likely), the dealer likely won't be equipped to do any thing about it, short of a new axle housing. Panard bar may also be bent. The anchor bracket on the uni-body may be knocked out of position as well. Something the body shop can do something about.
Well, speaking of which!

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Got it! Too bad I didn't get that into view on the other pics, you guys might have picked up on it sooner. The service manager at the dealer is pretty good and has his own '87 GT as well as a '65 pointed it out the panhard rod immediately and explained why it would cause the axle to get pulled to the side. He also immediately asked if it was pulling to the left when he noticed that not only was the axle offset, but turned toward the left (think of it as 4 wheel steering pointing left). Not sure why I didn't notice it before the dealer pointed it out.

I'm in total agreement with everyone here that Pirellis suck in wet weather. My next set of tires will be anything but. However, now lies the difficult decision. Body shop.

Where are some good sources to find reputable shops and perhaps ratings? I've looked on AAA's website, a lot of choices I will explore tomorrow with some phone calls. I have a feeling the choices are going to get narrowed once I limit it to laser alignment equipment. Any sources, preferrably with ratings would be a great help
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Old 1/17/07 | 08:37 PM
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You may have lucked out. The panhard bar looks to have taken the major part of the hit. May still be some secondary damage, but a new bar would be a quick fix to see if you need to go further (likely ... but you never know)
Old 1/24/07 | 04:09 PM
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Well, got the car back from the shop today, and the wheels are even and the car tracks straight as an arrow. The problem is, the wheel still squeaks when the brakes are applied and there is still suspension noise over heavy bumps and when turning right. They didn't even look into it I don't think.


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