If new GT is really only 300hp at production
#21
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Originally posted by SickofMyVWAlready@July 22, 2004, 2:21 PM
Plus turbo power in a small engine...icky. I've been living that grossness for a year.
Plus turbo power in a small engine...icky. I've been living that grossness for a year.
#23
It is better than my 1996 Volvo 850R with 227hp turbo charged V5 that requires premium gas and gets 18 MPG.
I am looking forward to a 300HP car that gets over 20MPG, uses regular unleaded and has no turbo lag. It will be faster and cheaper for me to operate.
I am looking forward to a 300HP car that gets over 20MPG, uses regular unleaded and has no turbo lag. It will be faster and cheaper for me to operate.
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Originally posted by BlueStangVert+July 22, 2004, 2:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BlueStangVert @ July 22, 2004, 2:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ChromeYellowGT@July 22, 2004, 3:56 PM
No way. 300hp is weaksauce these days.
No way. 300hp is weaksauce these days.
He's just messin' w/ us Brad. Don't let 'im get to ya...
#25
Originally posted by ChromeYellowGT@July 22, 2004, 2:56 PM
No way. 300hp is weaksauce these days.
No way. 300hp is weaksauce these days.
If you want something better, the SE's will blow the GT's out of the water.
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Originally posted by Boomer@July 22, 2004, 1:58 PM
Neon SRT4 - 21k (minimum with no packages), 220hp not 270...
Still a neon...still not 300hp for 26k
Magnum RT 30k (minimum with no packages), 340hp for 4,000 more.
again, not a 300hp 26,000 car.
GTO with LS1 is 32.5k (8,500 dollars more... for a car with 50 more hp)
Pricing is not out for an Ls2, even if its in the same range...its still 8,500 more.
Charger with 6.1 hemi (however a 300C with a 5.7 hemi costs 33k)
it WILL be more expensive
Our point is...cheap horsepower...NO comparison....yet
Neon SRT4 - 21k (minimum with no packages), 220hp not 270...
Still a neon...still not 300hp for 26k
Magnum RT 30k (minimum with no packages), 340hp for 4,000 more.
again, not a 300hp 26,000 car.
GTO with LS1 is 32.5k (8,500 dollars more... for a car with 50 more hp)
Pricing is not out for an Ls2, even if its in the same range...its still 8,500 more.
Charger with 6.1 hemi (however a 300C with a 5.7 hemi costs 33k)
it WILL be more expensive
Our point is...cheap horsepower...NO comparison....yet
Now the reason I made the poll is because I had made arguement on another site that the stang crowd would be dissappointed if the GT only made 300. But I guess I was wrong. There is a big difference between the Camaro and Mustang crowd. Nothing wrong with it, but over at CamaroZ28.com, factory performance is the number 1 deal with the next Camaro. It's "gotta have" >350hp for the base V8 and the Z/28's gotta have >400hp for around $30K (Some even insist that it has to beat the next Cobra). Otherwise it's no deal for those guys.
Interesting
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Originally posted by MedVader@July 22, 2004, 3:32 PM
The SRT-4 is currently dynoing 235 RWHP bone stock which works out to be around 265-270. And at $20K or $21K it'll be running right next to the new GT if it's only packing 300. Plus it's got factory warrantied packages to take it deep into the 12s.
Now the reason I made the poll is because I had made arguement on another site that the stang crowd would be dissappointed if the GT only made 300. But I guess I was wrong. There is a big difference between the Camaro and Mustang crowd. Nothing wrong with it, but over at CamaroZ28.com, factory performance is the number 1 deal with the next Camaro. It's "gotta have" >350hp for the base V8 and the Z/28's gotta have >400hp for around $30K (Some even insist that it has to beat the next Cobra). Otherwise it's no deal for those guys.
Interesting
The SRT-4 is currently dynoing 235 RWHP bone stock which works out to be around 265-270. And at $20K or $21K it'll be running right next to the new GT if it's only packing 300. Plus it's got factory warrantied packages to take it deep into the 12s.
Now the reason I made the poll is because I had made arguement on another site that the stang crowd would be dissappointed if the GT only made 300. But I guess I was wrong. There is a big difference between the Camaro and Mustang crowd. Nothing wrong with it, but over at CamaroZ28.com, factory performance is the number 1 deal with the next Camaro. It's "gotta have" >350hp for the base V8 and the Z/28's gotta have >400hp for around $30K (Some even insist that it has to beat the next Cobra). Otherwise it's no deal for those guys.
Interesting
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This is the first time I saw this thread. "Only" 300hp??? My 97 with the mods I've done is maybe 240hp and I can get in alot of trouble with that. People just don't appreciate a good thing when it's slammed into their faces. So sad.
#32
Originally posted by derynf@July 22, 2004, 5:59 PM
I don't know how many horsey are in my cavalier but it's only a 2.4litre.
I think 300 will be plenty.
I don't know how many horsey are in my cavalier but it's only a 2.4litre.
I think 300 will be plenty.
#33
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I'll be happy to sell my supercharged 96GT for $25,999. It's only got 48,000 miles and it has 267 rwhp which should put it at around 304hp at the crank............................
Hurry now before someone beats you to it
Hurry now before someone beats you to it
#36
Originally posted by MedVader@July 22, 2004, 3:32 PM
The SRT-4 is currently dynoing 235 RWHP bone stock which works out to be around 265-270. And at $20K or $21K it'll be running right next to the new GT if it's only packing 300. Plus it's got factory warrantied packages to take it deep into the 12s.
The SRT-4 is currently dynoing 235 RWHP bone stock which works out to be around 265-270. And at $20K or $21K it'll be running right next to the new GT if it's only packing 300. Plus it's got factory warrantied packages to take it deep into the 12s.
I any event, I don't think think many would consider a blown, front drive, four dour economy box to be a primary stang competitor. Not saying I don't have tremendous respect for the car's abilities , I just think it's a different market, much like the rally (WRX, EVO) crowd...
I believe Boomer's point stands. Since the demise of the f-body there simply are no more 25K 300+hp cars floating around...
#37
I love 300 stock but a ? the Mach 1 is rated 305-310 stock what does it really make? Cobra 390 rated what does it really make. Percentage difference of both. add to 05 What do you get?
#38
Originally posted by os121@July 22, 2004, 4:18 PM
300 HP is more than enough to get me into trouble
300 HP is more than enough to get me into trouble
Plus...this just in...unless you fly F-22s everyday, someone out there is always gonna have more power. And guys in 400HP Porsches are just as capable of blocking the left lane and doing 55MPH.
#39
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I agree.
Stock the SRT4 (before bump) was an 04 Mustang GT competitor.
The new GT will trounce it.
Also keep in mind, HP numbers don't tell the whole story...including where it comes in and the EVER so important TORQUE that people seem to forget!
Also as for the Z28 guys...no offense to them...if their (and I use that lightly, as I'm sure its not all of them) sole purpose is HP, and it beating a Mustang GT....just look at what happened last time.
I shouldn't have to say that even the Z28s/Formula's with base LS1 were wiping the floor of Mustang GTs, yet mustangs outsold them 2 to 1.
Guess HP isn't everything.
And also remember the GT is a blessing.
V6s are what make the GT possible.
GM has to learn that about the F-bodies.
Stock the SRT4 (before bump) was an 04 Mustang GT competitor.
The new GT will trounce it.
Also keep in mind, HP numbers don't tell the whole story...including where it comes in and the EVER so important TORQUE that people seem to forget!
Also as for the Z28 guys...no offense to them...if their (and I use that lightly, as I'm sure its not all of them) sole purpose is HP, and it beating a Mustang GT....just look at what happened last time.
I shouldn't have to say that even the Z28s/Formula's with base LS1 were wiping the floor of Mustang GTs, yet mustangs outsold them 2 to 1.
Guess HP isn't everything.
And also remember the GT is a blessing.
V6s are what make the GT possible.
GM has to learn that about the F-bodies.
#40
Boomer that is well put..
Horsepower is nice, but the car needs to be the total package.
Z28's and SS's were stickering close to and over $40K (canadian) and yet they still had the catalytic converter hump and doors that rattled like a beat up used car.
Horsepower is nice, but the car needs to be the total package.
Z28's and SS's were stickering close to and over $40K (canadian) and yet they still had the catalytic converter hump and doors that rattled like a beat up used car.