"France and Germany have always been allies"????!!!???.....where did you hear that?...on "Jaywalking" with Jay Leno?

 

Why not! Ford is at the helm of a lot of British car makers too!

Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover .... and someone else I'm probably forgetting


hrmmm.... wait I'll buy a Chrysler!
....and support the Germans

Well Ok, screw it I'l buy a Chevy!
....and support the Japanese and the Koreans

Nationality is a pretty ridiculous rational for buying a car isn't it

 

Why not! Ford is at the helm of a lot of British car makers too!

Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover .... and someone else I'm probably forgetting


hrmmm.... wait I'll buy a Chrysler!
....and support the Germans

Well Ok, screw it I'l buy a Chevy!
....and support the Japanese and the Koreans

Nationality is a pretty ridiculous rational for buying a car isn't it
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Can't buy Ford also because they are supporting Mexico and Canada because of their motors.

 

Hey Clemens9, After reading 7 pages of posts I think I understand your desire to get a G35. If that is your decision I wish you the best with it - it is a nice car. What I don't understand is why you continue to post out here - this place is infested with Mustang enthusiasts - and for good reason since it is a Mustang forum. I have a question for you. Are you hanging around because a small part of you still yearns for a Mustang ?

 

He likes the attention

 

Its because I owned a Mustang for 5 years, and usually enjoy talking about them. I only read two forums, one is a V6 mustang website (I had a V6 mustang before my 94 GT), and the other one is this one. Just because I am not buying another Mustang does not mean I dont respect the cars. I probably spent more time wrenching on a 5.0 than 95% of the people on this board, I definetally love the cars, but at this point in my life, I am ready for something nicer.

The other part is I enjoy arguing with some of the people on this board

 

Well said! :worship:

 

Its because I owned a Mustang for 5 years, and usually enjoy talking about them. I only read two forums, one is a V6 mustang website (I had a V6 mustang before my 94 GT), and the other one is this one. Just because I am not buying another Mustang does not mean I dont respect the cars. I probably spent more time wrenching on a 5.0 than 95% of the people on this board, I definetally love the cars, but at this point in my life, I am ready for something nicer.

The other part is I enjoy arguing with some of the people on this board
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Cool. That makes sense. I won't try to convince you about how nice the new GT is (but it is lol ! ) Good luck with the G35.

 

I will never argue the fact that the Mustang is the best car you can get for the money, hands down.

 

Because their cars are generally better and last longer than American cars.
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Are you high? Then if their cars are so good, why the heck don't they let us try to sell as many as we can ship to Japan? If you're so confident they are so good, they have nothing to fear do they? My point is, there is a great disproportion to the numbers of Japanese vehicles we let them bring here to the number of American cars they let us bring there. Anyway, I think at one point American cars may have been far inferior and quality, but I do believe American quality is much, much better now and the difference is not enough to make me buy a Japanese car just because they might be a little bit better quality.
In addition, everything I see in Consumer Reports, and I read it a lot and other such journals as well, says that Nissan is far behind both Toyota and Honda in quality. I don't know about Infiniti.

 

I am confused.l. Your post first talks about getting the american car to support America, and then you talk about how much better Japanese cars are.

Am I the only person who buys a car because I like how it looks and how it drives, and not because of its history and the fact that its from a certain country?

If I would have waited for the Mustang, I never would have gotten it. My dealer was pushing my order backwards, not forwards. Also, its florida here, Winter doesn't matter.
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Sorry, I'm missing something. Where did I write how much better Japanese cars are than American? I said the G35 is a darn nice car, that's all.

 

Well said! :worship:
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I disagree. It's not just about parts and where it is "put together." It's about engineers, support and everything else. The fact is still, buying American helps more Americans have jobs and helps the American economy more and a strong American company is better for our country than a stronger foreign one, it's just common sense. American cars have closed the quality gap, japanese might be a bit better in quality, but that difference is so small, it wouldn't sway me to buy Japanese just for the sake of that little bit of better quality.

 

Clemens9 - good choice on the G35. It will not be like the new Mustang, but I can tell you its a very nice car.

I am doing the reverse. I currently drive a G35 (sedan not coupe) and have just ordered a new 05 Mustang GT Vert. My wife will take the G35, and I will have more of a muscle car (or pony car). I couldn't just trade in the G35, liked it too much to get rid of it.

Good Luck on your choice.

 

Are you high? Then if their cars are so good, why the heck don't they let us try to sell as many as we can ship to Japan? If you're so confident they are so good, they have nothing to fear do they? My point is, there is a great disproportion to the numbers of Japanese vehicles we let them bring here to the number of American cars they let us bring there. Anyway, I think at one point American cars may have been far inferior and quality, but I do believe American quality is much, much better now and the difference is not enough to make me buy a Japanese car just because they might be a little bit better quality.
In addition, everything I see in Consumer Reports, and I read it a lot and other such journals as well, says that Nissan is far behind both Toyota and Honda in quality. I don't know about Infiniti.
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We have a 1997 Chevy Venture with 200,000 miles, no rust. This isn't the 1980's, American cars have come a long way, it's time praise our manufacturers again, even if they do need work on their customer service.

 

If they are such a good ally, why the heck do they flood our market with cars and make it next to impossible for us to sell ours in japan? Think about it.
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Are you saying I am ignorant? This is a fact! Do you know how high the tarrifs are on our cars in Japan? Do you? Our cars are way more expensive then they should be in Japan, and theirs are so cheap here! Is that fair? No, that is flooding our market. It's partly our fault, but it's fact and not ignorance dude.

 

Well said! :worship:
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I have learned a lot from you two on this forum and I want to thank you for that but, don't drink any more of the Kool-Aid! Buy American own American made. Buying a Toyota or any foreign with so called made in USA is only the assembly line, none of the understructure and design testing and development. Buying a car? Get a Ford or GM, Clemens9 buying that G35 is just stabbed our county in the back. When Ford or GM gets bought out by Toyota or Datsun I hope you’ll enjoy your Toyota Mustang and your Nissan Corvette.

Here are so clippings off the internet…

Why Buy American?
America's trade deficit continues to escalate to historic levels. The savings rate has turned negative, as the average consumer spends $1.10 for every dollar they earn. Real wages for working Americans have plummeted 19% since 1972 - about the same time we entered into a so-called "global economy." http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/

Looking for tires? http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/cont...db-tires.shtml

The reasons are simple:
1. Our economy is stronger when American dollars stay in American hands.
When production is lost to other lands, so too are American tax revenues. Everything from schools to health care to public safety suffers.
Need more reasons?
2. Worker's conditions, and rights, and benefits tend to be superior in the US; especially in Union-supported shops. We help set a higher standard for the world.
3. Some of the strongest environmental protections are here in the US. Again, Made In The USA can help maintain standards everywhere.
If you need one more, here it is:
4. The quality and workmanship are absolutely world-class!
I am suspicious of people who make a lot of noise about supporting our troops. I challenge them to support the troops by improving working conditions when they have returned to the job market back home!
Do what you can when you can Look for the label - Made In The USA
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What an incredible load of pea-brained crap over one guy deciding to buy a G35 instead of a Mustang. How insecure can some people get? America has strong-armed the world's automakers into moving their production to the U.S. or facing putative tariffs. That only works because Americans want to buy Asian and European cars, and they don't want ours. As a result, my wife's Honda Accord is 70% from the U.S. and Canada and my Mustang is 65% (with a German engine and a French transmission, to boot.) And all this whining about "American owned." So sell your Ford stock and buy stock in Nissan or Renault if you want to share in the profits. It's a global economy.

Right now buying a GT equipped just the way you want it can be almost impossible - certainly far more hassle than any car this side of a Ferrari is worth. It's not like a GT was the head cheerleader at the prom. There will be a hundred thousand more along during the next couple of years - they'll be as common as fleas on dogs. In the meantime, I don't think it's irrational to enjoy a G35, as nice a car as I've driven, and postpone the GT for a few years. By late 2006 you'll be able to walk onto any Ford lot in the country and buy the GT of your choice for invoice. Plus most of the bugs will be ironed out and the power will probably improve, too.

A lot of Ford dealers are using the popularity of the GT to rape and pilliage. I tried to lease a '95 Cobra from a dealer who quoted me lease payments over four years equal to the list price of the car, plus of course, I would have had to give them the car back. I laughed and walked out and the car stayed on the showroom floor for four more months. (For those of you who don't remember, that's when the Cobra had a whole 15 more horsepower than the GT (240 vs. 225.) This isn't Ford's fault (entirely) but it certainly can sour a lot of people who would otherwise eagerly buy GTs.

Finally, I think it would be fitting if all you "buy American" types would vow to buy only American oil products from now on. Yeah. I say BOYCOTT FOREIGN OIL. Park your Mustang in the garage under a tarp. That will show them furriners.

 

More idiotic prattle. It was just a matter of time.

 

Amen, brother. Very well said.

 

"France and Germany have always been allies"????!!!???.....where did you hear that?...on "Jaywalking" with Jay Leno?
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Didn't you know? That little excursion by the German Wermacht through Belgium into the heart of France was just a little "misunderstanding amongst friends".