kn7671

Here's the deal. Ford now has available the block used for the 5.0L "Cammer" engine. It is an all aluminum block, like all the 4.6L 3V's in the '05 Mustang. The 5.0L modular block will accept the same rods, crank, heads, accessories, etc... only needing 94mm pistons to get a 5.0L displacement. This seems like a fairly cheap upgrade to the Mustang.

Just seems logical for Ford to make this move. Even if they don't, I think it would be sweet to swap blocks on a new Mustang to gain the cube growth.

Thoughts.... Anyone...

Be Nice All, this is not another post complaining about HP, blah blah blah.

rhumb

Possibility for all the reasons you mentioned.

But I think the more likely and economically feasible route will be for Ford to offer the 4.6 in 3V and perhaps 4V forms and for more power yet, the existing 5.4 in either 3V and/or 4V forms, plus a SC 5.4 4V for the Cobra. All of the above are basically existing motors requiring little additional development time and $ and giving the Stang a well fleshed out stable of horses.

I imagine the following suite of motors after 2-3 years:

Base: 4.0 then 3.5 Cyclone V6 - 200-250hp
GT: 4.6 2V - 300hp
"Boss": 4.6 4V - 350-375hp
Mach I: 5.4 3V (with perhaps a "Super Cobra Jet" 4V) - 375-425hp
Cobra: SC 5.4 4V - 475-500hp

So while the 5.0/302 nomenclature does give many the warm and fuzzies, I think it less likely than using existing configurations. But of course, who really knows...

MustangMan311

I doubt that Ford will use the 5.0 for a while... maybe in an SE

69Mach1

that would be a great suprise if fot put the 5.0 in the new GTs

jgsmuzzy

I can't see it myself, Ford are quite proud of the 4.6L, going to 5.0L will seem like a step back.

Felix C.

I believe every engine package needs to be EPA certified and also there are CAFE regulations which is expensive. I doubt Ford would do this if the 5.0L could not be used in other applications. The 4.6L is approx 20 cubic inches less than the 5.0 Could the gain be really worth the additional expense for certification? Then again Ford did both a Cobra supercharged engine and the 4V Mach I engine as new for 2003.

2005muzzy

I agree!! 5.0 engines are great but Ford is going to stay away from the pushrod 5.0 engine. the 4.6 is more efficiant. If anything they will increase diplacement on the 4.6.Besides the 5.0 pushrod was really a 4.9....

TomServo92

I agree!! 5.0 engines are great but Ford is going to stay away from the pushrod 5.0 engine. the 4.6 is more efficiant. If anything they will increase diplacement on the 4.6.Besides the 5.0 pushrod was really a 4.9.... [/b][/quote]
They're not talking about the old pushrod 5.0L! They're talking about the 5.0L 440HP "Cammer" DOHC mod motor that was in the GT-R concept. It's the big-brother racing version of the 4.6.

Evil_Capri

They're not talking about the old pushrod 5.0L! They're talking about the 5.0L 440HP "Cammer" DOHC mod motor that was in the GT-R concept. It's the big-brother racing version of the 4.6. [/b][/quote]
And it costs ~$14,000!

TomServo92

And it costs ~$14,000! [/b][/quote]
Yeah....that too!!!!

kn7671

I agree!! 5.0 engines are great but Ford is going to stay away from the pushrod 5.0 engine. the 4.6 is more efficiant. If anything they will increase diplacement on the 4.6.Besides the 5.0 pushrod was really a 4.9.... [/b][/quote]
I'm not talking about a 5.0L pushrod V8. Right now, Ford Racing Performance Parts has available by itself the 5.0L "Cammer" aluminum block.

For those that do not know, the 5.0L "Cammer" is a DOHC 4V Modular V8 engine, using a beefed up Cobra '03-'04 style Aluminum Block, but with larger cylinder bores designed into the new block. The "Cammer" uses forged pistons, forged rods, and a nodular iron crankshaft. Additionally, it uses 94mm pistons, or 3.70" bore, to raise the displacement to 5.0L.

Now what I'm saying is all it would take is for Ford to use the new block, then transfer all the new 3V equipment from the new '05 4.6L, then use the same rods, crank, etc...from the 4.6L, but with the larger pistons.

bob

It was my observation that Ford has commited itself to the 4.6 V8 and simply upping the displacement to 5.0 liters is not an option in production vehicles.

Although it would be neat if Ford did a new 5.0 pushrod motor, despite its ludite valvetrain, OHV engines package very nicely and the single cam and 2 valve layout is not a hinderence as evidenced by the hemi and modern Chevy small-block, both of which are considered lightyears ahead of the 2V cammer motors in airflow technology.

Evil_Capri

I'm not talking about a 5.0L pushrod V8. Right now, Ford Racing Performance Parts has available by itself the 5.0L "Cammer" aluminum block.

For those that do not know, the 5.0L "Cammer" is a DOHC 4V Modular V8 engine, using a beefed up Cobra '03-'04 style Aluminum Block, but with larger cylinder bores designed into the new block. The "Cammer" uses forged pistons, forged rods, and a nodular iron crankshaft. Additionally, it uses 94mm pistons, or 3.70" bore, to raise the displacement to 5.0L.

Now what I'm saying is all it would take is for Ford to use the new block, then transfer all the new 3V equipment from the new '05 4.6L, then use the same rods, crank, etc...from the 4.6L, but with the larger pistons. [/b][/quote]
I think, as Felix C. mentioned, Ford not using the Mod 5.0 has to do with EPA and CAFE standards as well as testing the motor to go ~100,000 miles, but I'm not 100% sure. I read somewhere WHY the 5.0 isn't being/going to be used, however if Ford can get the naming rights back from Shinoda for "BOSS" we could see a future BOSS 302. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

2005muzzy

They're not talking about the old pushrod 5.0L! They're talking about the 5.0L 440HP "Cammer" DOHC mod motor that was in the GT-R concept. It's the big-brother racing version of the 4.6. [/b][/quote]
my bad!!! The poll question was will ford put BACK the 5.0 engine. I thought the question was implying the old pushrod. Have not read up on the cammer engine .
Thanks for the info

Dan

Ford will stick with the 4.6L I'm sure. I think they will convert to 3-valve heads and do away with the 4-valvers as well.

The GT will use the 4.6L 3-valve for the entire run IMO and many other vehicles will use it as well.

SE's will probably use either a S/C version of the 4.6L 3-valve (count on that) and the 5.4L engine.

I'll admit it IS possible that they will turn to the 5.0L for a specific application (maybe a very limited production SE) but the fact that Ford won't use the engine across the lineup and in several variations means it will remain extremely costly and not economical.

In short, I wouldn't hold my breath on the 5.0L.

HairyCanary

I don't see Ford going away from the 4.6L anytime soon. And most of the credible Cobra rumors suggest that they're going to be using some flavor of 4.6L in that as well, not the 5.4L that we're lusting over.

Boomer

Ford originally planned to have a 4.6 and a 4.9 in the Mustang GT, and a 5.0 in the Cobra....
...then as time went on they planned on having a SOHC 5.0 in the GT and a 5.0 DOHC in the Cobra....
Both got scrapped.

If you remember back to the FR500, they spraybored the 4.6 DOHC to increase the displacement to 5.0, but it wasn't feasible for a mass production set of engines.

The 3v is great in my opinion, and we'll see it, its bigger brother 5.4, and possibley the Hurricane...Those are the 3 main motors I'd guess on.

Maverick128

And it costs ~$14,000! [/b][/quote]
$14,000!!!!!!!!!!! Why not just try one of these?

Ford Crate Engines

Dan

The Cammer is a crate engine?

TomServo92

Yep

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