MedVader

So there are guys satisfied with 425,430, and 450hp. And the last one made 425. So it's OK if the next Cobra has a 0 to 25hp gain. :bang:


Unless this thing is has a whipple blown 5.4 pushing nearly 500hp, it's going to be a disappointment and don't bother. They can list it at 470, but it needs to be closer to 500. It should waste the C6 and be close behind the C6 Z06.

Then it'll be worth around $40K and my effort to write out a check.

dke

Let's face it; I seriously doubt that with 500 HP the Mustang would "waste" the C6. Sorry, guys that's an incredible car. It is lower and lighter, and has incredible tires, brakes, suspension and holding power. That all matters. The Cobra may be able to beat the Vette in 1/4, if they can get the power to wheels. If it competitive with it in road holding, braking and the rest, I will be VERY impressed and happy. (But the Z06 will be another step up). And don't forget the Vette gets 30 mpg on the highway.

This isn't to bash the Stang, it is a better value, seats 4, and is a different car. But recognize it for what it is. It isn't an M5, and it isn't Vette -- it is it's own niche, and a good niche at that. (I'm ready to write out my check as soon as they bring me the Cobra or SVT that I want).

TrueBlueCajun

I couldn't agree more with your statement. Give me a 450+hp gear ramming, lion roaring "Muscle" car and I'll be very happy with it. No US made car competes with a Vette and Viper. If Ford wants to compete with those cars, then produce a 500+hp 2 seater fiberglass body, IRS suspension, 6-speed tran. roadster costing $55,000.00+ and then I'll say Ford has a car to compete with. The Ford GT is in the Ferrari/Lamb class, The Cobra is in the upper end "Muscle" car class with the GTO, the GT is practically in a class by itself since the T/A and Catfish are now gone, and the V6 is in the rental economy class. Now if Ford decides to bring back the "Boss", Mach 1, or Shelby class cars, that should be placed between the Cobra and GT. Keep the Cobra as your top end Mustang.

MedVader

Really?

Lessee. The C6 with 400hp 6.0 runs a 12.7-12.8 @ ~ 113.(on its best day)

The LAST Cobra with 425hp SC 4.6 ran about 12.8-12.9 @ ~ 111.

So a 500hp Cobra with a much better IRS and weighing about the same won't waste the C6? I guess low 12s @ 117-118 won't be considered a whupping.

clintoris

I expect the new Cobra to be under my Christmas tree

hiznherponies

For those who don't see the new Cobra as a serious threat for the C6 or Z06 'vette, maybe you should just go and buy yourself one!! I for one, think that Ford should aim that high and target those cars( and I'm thinking Viper too) so that when the dust settles, the best bang for your $40g+ dollar is still a Mustang!!! Yea, so what that the Mustang has been completely overpowered by the vette for eons, its still the best sporty 2+2 out there, and can kick vette hiney if properly set up, just ask Steve Saleen or Dario Orlando, they're not afraid of the big bad Z06!! And for those who've never seen a Mustang on a racecourse, maybe you should watch Speed channel more!!! B)

dke

I agree that Ford should target the performance numbers of the Vette, etc. But we shouldn't be unrealistic about it. The car weighs more, is higher (worse aerodynamics), seats 4, etc., etc.... they are different cars.

To MedVader, I mentioned that if they can get power to wheels (I meant road), then it can do fine in the 1/4 -- but the point is that the Vette is a road car. Braking, which the GT+6 are a little weak, but lateral G's, 30mpg, and so on. You responded by throwing 1/4 numbers -- that doesn't reflect well on you. (Looks like you ignored or didn't get the point of my post).

2MustangJohn, a car is more than a few specs. It isn't about a number or two, but about the whole thing. If I wanted a vette, I'd go get one. That's not what this is about. This is about people selectively looking at some specs, ignoring others, and oversimplifying a car down to a few numbers instead of the gestalt (the whole enchilada). That does no one a service, and makes Stangers look like fools or fanatics. We should all be able to say, "the Vette is a fantastic car, but I prefer the stang for myself" -- without having to pretend that a Stang is better in every way. No car is best at everything, so it's just about the tradeoffs/balances.

Lalo

can anybody say, "Corvette Killer"?

hiznherponies

My point exactly, quit pretending!!! And if you don't believe the Mustang is a better car, don't get it, someelse who does will!! Yea, the vette is a fantastic car, if your over 50 and taking Viagra!!IMO!!And I truly don't mind being labeled a fanatic, that just show how much I truly love my cars(Mustangs)!!

hiznherponies

BTW, M3's are cool!! But, you know, they're not 'vettes either! I've liked them since they first came out with that 4cyl turbo!!

hiznherponies

Oh, and just what was Mr. Shelby supposed to go after back in '65? Was it the Camaro/Fierbird twins? The GTO? The assorted Chrysler products? Nope, the 'vette. Wonder why? To beat GM on the track and in the showroom(sales). And if memory serves me(I'm getting old), they did!! And can still do, if they wanted to!! Have been in sales (8mil+ vs. 1mil+) no prob. need to do it on the track, in LARGE numbers!! Do you BLEED BLUE? I do!! B)

Wolfie351

To me, it sounds like most of these wishes can already be had through the aftermarket. Getting 500hp out of the 3V shouldn't be too hard and plenty of companies are offering various body kits and duck tails. Give me something like paddle shifters or heads up display. THAT would give the Corvette some competition. Also, when the auto execs talk about one car competing against another, the performance numbers are not what determines the winner...it's sales figures. The Camaro beat the mustang in almost every catagory EXCEPT in sales, and looked what happened to the Camaro. Ford has already said they are gunning for the Vette with the new Cobra. But, it doesn't matter if the Cobra can beat the Vette on the drag strip or road course. If Ford builds a car that is good enough to make the Corvette take a dip in sales, then the Cobra wins.

hiznherponies

AMEN!!! :worship:

Xellow

- More displacment / less blowers.

- A precision and affordable engine like the 5.0 or may be that code named Huracane engine. Engine must have racing potential!!! I personally would prefer to see a naturally asperated High Hp Ford V8 equaling
Enough Hp to kill anything that people compair to it due to good engineering. Ford has needed an affordable well designed engine like that for a wile. That way people don't make fun of it for requiring a cheating supercharger inorder to compete with the big dogs.

- price shouldn't reach much further than 40,000.00 for this kind of car with this kind of engine.

And of couse, sportier looks, IRS and the works.

JustAnotherDude

With 500 HP, the Stang *should* be able to beat an M5... a stock M5, but anyway.

tangs3

The last Cobra was just as quick as the last Zo6 just didnt have the top speed do to the speedo shutting the car down at a earlier top speed.

MustangFanatic

My wish for the '07 Cobra

- 475 HP mininum (N/A or SC)
- IRS
- Ducktail
- 6 speed
- Quarter Window Scoops
- Stock 18's, 19's optional

The Deviant One

So far, 2MUSTANGJOHN has nailed all the good points in what should be the "next" Cobra.

The Deviant One

Wha??? Where the heck did you get the notion that Cobras are nowhere to be seen on the track? There are plenty of them dukin it out with Vette's and Vipers. Sure you can outrun a Vette at the track with a modded GT, but why would you spend more money on motor and suspension mods, where in the end, it will result in it being as much as a $40K Cobra and be at the same level performance wise. In case you haven't noticed, the Cobra is supposed to be the top dog mustang that is a well rounded performer that can excel on the track, drag strip, and on the street. If all you care about is outrunning a Vette in the 1320 then you should just stick with a s/c GT. Maybe you need to get better info and bring yoursef up to speed on these matters, rather than bashing those on here that have posted on what they expect in the new Cobra.

MedVader

I did ignore most of your post.

And here's why. When I go to any stang/camaro forum, and people are posting about the latest victim, it's all about acceleration. That's all we talk about. 1/4 mile, stop to top, from a roll, and on and on.

Yeah sure as long the stang handles worth a darn, that's good enough. I mean is "road racing" really a big deal?

The Cobra like ALL previous Cobras will be a plenty capable handler for the street. And if it's really in your mind to go road racing, I'm sure you'll upgrade appropriately. But performance since the start of the muscle car has been about acceleration and raw speed and that's where it'll always be.

That said. The next Cobra better be blown or it will be blown away by GM's far superior LS2 and LS6.

The Vette's and Cobra's mileage are what they are due to weight. Not worth the cost to the consumer to lighten up the stang. You'd never recoup the costs in gas savings.