Dude, put the crack pipe down...now!

 

Those who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat it.

 

PTs and Beetles are retro.

Mustangs are classic.

 

The Mustang II was never a mistake, it kept the mustang name alive while charger, challenger, javelin, GTO, and a whole bunch more muscle cars died out. Ford could only wish the 05 SOLD IN THE SAME NUMBERS THE 74 HAD! From a sales standpoint the only Mustang better than the Mustang II is the original. And from a performance standpoint the V8 II was competitive with the 289 V8 in the original 1964 Mustang, besides the fact that the Mustang II had much improved handling over the original generation mustang, thats why Hotrods have been using Mustang II front ends for the last 30 years. As for style, the II is as close to the original stang as the 05, maybe closer. About the fact the II was loosely based on the Pinto, who cares! The original 64 stang was based on the Falcon economy car, does that make it a POS?? I don't think so. The II was motor trend car of the year in 74, did the 05 make the cut? No, they gave that honor to the hemi 300. IF IT WASN'T FOR THE II THERE WOULD BE NO 05!


Gorgeous "Hood Candy!" 78Mach1

I certainly hear what you're saying and you make an interesting point, but I don't think the Mustang II or really ANY of the cars of the era will go down in history as being very memorable: The decade from about '74-'84 was, in my opinion, the Low Water mark in the history of the American automotive industry...

Vega, Pinto, Maverick, Gremlin, Pacer, Chevette, 1974 "Pontiac GTO", Hornet, Aspen, Volare... the list goes on. I was in the industry then, selling Ford products including the Pinto, the Mustang II, the LTD II, the Fairmont, the Granada and several other vehicles that aren't remembered fondly.

A well-preserved copy of any of those cars is an interesting piece of automotive nostalgia but I'm not persuaded that any of them merit a place in the "automotive hall of fame".

Just my opinion... feel free to disagree. There are collectors and restorers for every single marque listed including Vegas, Gremlins and Fairmonts.

Steve

 

I'm sorry, this is a dumb thread!

Face the facts. The car was designed after the late 60's models, therefore the car is retro. There is no arguing about it.

 

What makes the 05 a great car? style or power? I would have to say style, there are other cars out there with the same or more HP (GTO) but none with the 05's looks. I would rather look good than go fast. would prefer to have both but if I had to decide.... I'd go with style. And the 05 is the first stang to really look like a stang since the II. So if I and to choose between a II or a 79-04 I would choose the II.

 

"automotive nostalgia"???

More like "comic relief"


Without doubt, all of the big 3 would rather we completely forget about that era.

 

So is the Plymouth Prowlerand the Ford GT,retro?? yes IMO but I dont look at retro as a bad thing. As for Porsche not being called retro someone nailed it with the "911's have looked almost the same for 30 years" post. And I wouldnt think that porsche sells as many 911's in the US as Ford is selling stangs. And it is American made, like the word retro. I think its just a culture thing. Regardless, just send me my darn 05 retro kick hiney mustang now Ford and Ill call it whatever ya want

 

Retro because it looks like the older stangs. Looks nothing like the fox bodies. I have no problem saying my car looks retro.

 

I have issues with the word RETRO (see definition below)

Etymology: French rétro, short for rétrospectif retrospective
: relating to, reviving, or being the styles and especially the fashions of the past : fashionably nostalgic or old-fashioned <a retro look>

-I will not use any French based word in describing my car
-My car is not old-fashioned

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Sorry for butting in I have had mine on the road since March 18. From old to young
alike it turns heads, people pull in the parking lot where I work to take a look at the car for those of you who have scratches already it is belt buckles and key chain rubbing against the car from those people who need to take a closer look. But as you can see the GTO would have sold thru the roof if they went retro with the body but alas no more after 2007 or 2008. Ford upt the anty to 190,000 for production because there is more character in this car then any on the road! Why for you young folk late 60's early 70's The best muscle cars where built. So retro is in Ford has a hit and 1973 was a gas imbargo engines got smaller and the muscle car was changed. Now in 2005 gas is gone up but in reality it is @ 1.79 per gallon the rest of the price is 31% taxes. Ford has brought the muscle car era back and people ar loving it when kids scream yea when you drive by it reminds me of being young and doing the same.

 

I bought the car because of it's styling, retro or not. I think it looks edgey and bad hiney, dont give a hoot what anyone else thinks, didn't buy it for them.

Honestly if Ford had never made a Mustang and introduced the 05 as a brand new name plate, you think anyone would be calling it retro?

 

That's what I'm talking about. If the '05 was the first ever Mustang released by Ford, nobody would be calling it retro because, as I've been saying all along, the design is timeless.





The basic body design of the '05 and that of the 60's stangs is the most beautiful ever penned, in my opinion.

 

I think it's about continuity. The 911 has been evolutionary. You can look at it year-by-year from the 1960's and see the gradual evolution and refinement of the still-familiar shape.

The Mustang on the other hand... left it's roots after only a few short years and wandered off into Pinto-based "Mustang II" land, then through additionally significantly different fox bodies so the press is picking up on the fact that the 05 has SUDDENLY jumped back 35 years in styling: Retro!

If the 911 had changed in the late '60's to the 928, then to the 924/944 body in the 70's, then to the Boxster in the 90's and now introduced an '05 Carrera the media would use the same word: Retro!


Right, what he said!!
The difference between evolution and retro lies in the continuity of the design or the lack thereof.

JMHO,

Steve
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I think it's about continuity. The 911 has been evolutionary. You can look at it year-by-year from the 1960's and see the gradual evolution and refinement of the still-familiar shape.

The Mustang on the other hand... left it's roots after only a few short years and wandered off into Pinto-based "Mustang II" land, then through additionally significantly different fox bodies so the press is picking up on the fact that the 05 has SUDDENLY jumped back 35 years in styling: Retro!

If the 911 had changed in the late '60's to the 928, then to the 924/944 body in the 70's, then to the Boxster in the 90's and now introduced an '05 Carrera the media would use the same word: Retro!

The difference between evolution and retro lies in the continuity of the design or the lack thereof.

JMHO,

Steve
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