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Old 1/8/05, 04:56 PM
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Use a DSS 306 or a DSS 331 Stroker. The kenne Bell makes all its power and torque around 2200rpm and carries it until redline. The Vortech makes all of its power around 5500rpm roughly. If you want the low end like you have with your 03 cobra get a KB.
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the phenolic spacer increases low end torque. like up to 10hp gain or so. With the spacer you can take off the valve covers without taking off the intake. (more space)
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Originally posted by Fordracing200@January 8, 2005, 9:26 PM
the phenolic spacer increases low end torque. like up to 10hp gain or so. With the spacer you can take off the valve covers without taking off the intake. (more space)
Man I love your avtar, is that your car?

I have the engine out and almost ready for the machine shop. I will make my decision on a stroker or not based on the condition of the current pars (I have a budget you know).

Thanks for all the input.
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I don't recommend the Kenne Bell blower for the 5.0.....a lot more difficult to tune and they do not yeild as much power. Although it depends what you want...the Kenne Bell is great for a mild street car but not if you want to make a lot of power.

The pushrod V8 already offers more torque than the mod motor cars by design...so comparing a mod motor to a pushrod motor is comparing apples and oranges.
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Originally posted by angcobra@January 6, 2005, 12:56 PM
I just bought a 88 GT with Paxton SC kit. It has a blown head gasket (I think) and I will be tearing it down. I am looking for a proven combination of parts that will give ~ 350 RWHP on (with no boost) and handle ~ 15# of boost. If you know of a build like this please let me know.
One of my buddies has a 92 coupe 5.0, has tfs twisted wedge heads worked and gasket matched, custom bennett cam, stock bottom end, performer intake, car made 331/330 with 150 miles on the new motor. He threw a vortech s trim on it and the car detuned made 498/550. He didnt exactly feel the block would hold up to long so he sold the blower kit. You may wanna call and talk to him he works for parkway fords parts dept. 770 773 3703. His name is Paul. Him and his father have some exp when it comes to fast cars. They currently have a 92 gt that runs low 9's in the 1/4 on a 150 shot. He also used to be one of Derrick Smith's crew members before Derrick got outta running pro 5.0.
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Originally posted by Fordracing200@January 11, 2005, 2:20 PM
Hey svopaul, the KB rocks. They have a 256rwhp increase (thats over stock rwhp) on 99-04 GTs and i have seen many stock cobras make 646 rwhp and 686rw ft-lbs stock with a KB.
Not trying to bust your bubble but this isnt a mod motor car. This is a pushrod car. I am not saying that you cant make decent power with a kenne bell on a pushrod motor but you can make more power with a vortech or a pro charger.

Also some advice for the original ? If your planning on running 15psi of boost you may wanna look at getting a a4 block. I dont see any way other than a turbo that your stock 5.0 block is gonna make it past 550 rwhp. My buddies car only made 9psi and made 498.
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I have cleaned up this thread so that we can keep in on track. As the original poster asked lets PLEASE keep this centered on the original request of proven 5.0 combos
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A good motor for you would be a DSS 306 stroker with some turbos.
http://www.turbochargedpower.com/
www.got-pressure.com
www.inductionconcepts.com
but if you want it to stay N/A as you said then add a blower a DSS 306 would be great. As you say, you have a budget so u could probably get the DSS 306 without the block, and just have it bored to 306 and use new reciprocating.
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Originally posted by Fordracing200@January 12, 2005, 1:26 PM
A good motor for you would be a DSS 306 stroker with some turbos.
http://www.turbochargedpower.com/
www.got-pressure.com
www.inductionconcepts.com
but if you want it to stay N/A as you said then add a blower a DSS 306 would be great. As you say, you have a budget so u could probably get the DSS 306 without the block, and just have it bored to 306 and use new reciprocating.
I have heard horror stories of dss stuff. His best bet is to take his motor to a professional. Unless hes wanting to do the work by himself. Proline or Bennett would be my two pics of the litter for the south east. I think svo paul also stated he has a shop. Havent heard of any of his work but there are thousands of good builders in the south. Most of the internet/ mag companies dont stand behind their motors as a shop would. I have personally seen the work that proline puts out since they do have the fastest outlaw car in the world right now, and its nothing but top notch.
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Bennet and Kuntz make great motors too. I have heard nothing bad of DSS. Since Andy has your best bet would be to stay away from it.
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I have a couple of customers who were thinking of going dss and they heard people say things but it is in the internet so some may hold water and others may not.

What we have done thanks to great deals from one of my distributors is we are building engines for these customers. I put together a fully forged 331 rotating assemlby using Eagle H beam rods and forged 4340 crank with probe pistons and speed pro rings for close to the same money as a dss kit with cast crank and I beam rods .

My opinion is that you can't beat attention to detail and building an engine one at a time will always have more care than multiple.

I do have to say that I have never heard anything bad about Bennett....pricey for some but I have never heard complaint one
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Don Walsh JR. has a bennet motor and he has never blown it up and he runs 6 second 1/4s. They seem reliable...
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Thanks all!
The engine is out and headed to the machine shop to see condition of what I currently have. I will make decisions on what to do when everything I already have is checked out.
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Well the whole bottom end is stock, it does not have a girdle. Now is decision time, looks like I am going to spend some money to build this right. I have found a good core of a 351W, I am considering going with a 351/408 stroker since I am spending the money anyway.
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Decided to stay with the 5.0 block.
It is now bored and stroked to 347.
Put a girdle in the bottom
Align honed the mains
Forged Hawks racing crank
Forged H style rods (ARP bolts)
Forged pistons
10:1 compression (cc head and pistons, mill block to adjust CR)
set all clearances for Forced induction
1/2" head studs
Trick Flow Twisted wedge heads (ported and machined for wire ring gasket)
Performer clone intake (gasket match porting)
Paxton NOVI 1000 SC

Now I got to put it all together.
Anyone want to guess what size MAF, TB, injectors this will require.
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That's to much compression unless you are going to keep the boost at 8psi or less. Make sure you have a good 'tune' shop to burn a chip for it. (that way your WOT timing will be in check)

As far as injectors and MAF, it depends if you are running an FMU or not. If you are running an FMU then you could probably run a 30-36 # injector set. If not, then use a set of 42's with a boost a pump.

Since you are on a draw through setup, I would say either a Pro-m 80 or 87 would suit you fine.

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Sounds great, keep us updated. What did you do with the blower from your old motor? Or did you reuse it?
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He kept it since his origional post said Paxton S/C kit and he is now stating he has a paxton novi1000 on it.
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OK, I didnt know since i didnt know what kit he had to begin with
(example-Novi 2000) . Thanks for the clarification!
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N/P, just re-read the thread and you can find stuff alot of times


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