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Old May 3, 2005 | 03:42 PM
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changeing 6cyl to 5.0 good or bad
in my 67, coupe
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Old May 3, 2005 | 04:50 PM
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I think it's a very good thing.....can't go wrong with a five-oh! plus you'll get so much more torque.....are u going carb or fuel injection....
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Old May 4, 2005 | 09:20 AM
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Old May 9, 2005 | 10:39 AM
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Bad. There's more than enough V8 Mustangs out there,why tamper with a classic six-banger? With all the talk about engine swapping and with the six-banger usually being treated as a regular grocery getter car when new,thus probably not preserved or saved as much as the sportier Mustangs,the little ponies are probably getting scarce.
I really enjoy seeing Mustangs of all variations at shows and i really like seeing the "regular" Stangs like the sixes or the 4 bangers,the second Mustang ever made was a six-cylinder,how horrible if that piece of history was converted to a 5.0L.
If you want more go,i'd sell the six and get a '67 V8 or keep the six and get a newer late model V8,Mustangs are never out of reach in price(unless it's a Shelby or something along those lines). I just don't like seeing old cars customized to something else entirely,like when people take a decent old car and turn it into a Hot-rod.....leave them alone!
It's your car,your money,so do what you think is right for you and your budget,but i guess i'm just a old car purist who'd rather see a classic preserved.
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Old May 9, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Haljordan@May 9, 2005, 10:42 AM
Bad. There's more than enough V8 Mustangs out there,why tamper with a classic six-banger? With all the talk about engine swapping and with the six-banger usually being treated as a regular grocery getter car when new,thus probably not preserved or saved as much as the sportier Mustangs,the little ponies are probably getting scarce.
I really enjoy seeing Mustangs of all variations at shows and i really like seeing the "regular" Stangs like the sixes or the 4 bangers,the second Mustang ever made was a six-cylinder,how horrible if that piece of history was converted to a 5.0L.
If you want more go,i'd sell the six and get a '67 V8 or keep the six and get a newer late model V8,Mustangs are never out of reach in price(unless it's a Shelby or something along those lines). I just don't like seeing old cars customized to something else entirely,like when people take a decent old car and turn it into a Hot-rod.....leave them alone!
It's your car,your money,so do what you think is right for you and your budget,but i guess i'm just a old car purist who'd rather see a classic preserved.
And the classic piece of history you are currently preserving is what exactly????? I'm just curious what you are doing for your part in this since that's a mighty strong opinion you have on it there.
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Old May 10, 2005 | 08:41 AM
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It is usually true that unless you have a strong sentimental attachment to the car or have a complete V8 parts car or live in the rust belt and have a completely rust free i6 body, it would be cheaper to sell the 6 and get a V8 if the V8 is what you want. Another exception is if you were needing to replace all the suspension, steering and powertrain parts on the six anyway--but even so it would be cheaper just to buy a v8. There are a lot of them out there, and there are still a lot of sixes, too!
Good luck in your decision...
Daniel
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Old May 12, 2005 | 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by pakrat+May 9, 2005, 10:55 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pakrat @ May 9, 2005, 10:55 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Haljordan@May 9, 2005, 10:42 AM
Bad. There's more than enough V8 Mustangs out there,why tamper with a classic six-banger? With all the talk about engine swapping and with the six-banger usually being treated as a regular grocery getter car when new,thus probably not preserved or saved as much as the sportier Mustangs,the little ponies are probably getting scarce.
I really enjoy seeing Mustangs of all variations at shows and i really like seeing the "regular" Stangs like the sixes or the 4 bangers,the second Mustang ever made was a six-cylinder,how horrible if that piece of history was converted to a 5.0L.
If you want more go,i'd sell the six and get a '67 V8 or keep the six and get a newer late model V8,Mustangs are never out of reach in price(unless it's a Shelby or something along those lines). I just don't like seeing old cars customized to something else entirely,like when people take a decent old car and turn it into a Hot-rod.....leave them alone!
It's your car,your money,so do what you think is right for you and your budget,but i guess i'm just a old car purist who'd rather see a classic preserved.
And the classic piece of history you are currently preserving is what exactly????? I'm just curious what you are doing for your part in this since that's a mighty strong opinion you have on it there.
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Oh,i'm sorry,did the original post not ask for an opinion??? Did i not give one??? What's the problem?
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Old May 12, 2005 | 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Haljordan@May 12, 2005, 9:38 AM
Oh,i'm sorry,did the original post not ask for an opinion??? Did i not give one??? What's the problem?
Oh it absolutely did and I did not question your opinion at all, not in the least, not even for a second, I don't even come close to disagreeing with it so it's not a problem in any way. Since it was such a strong opinion though I was curious what YOU were doing to support it is all? Didn't mean to hit a sore spot with you I was just wondering if you practice what you preach is all. If someone told me why they felt so strongly that I should be a democrat or a catholic or a vegatarian I'd just want to make sure that they aren't in actuality a Jewish Republican eating a bacon burger or something like that, ya see? Because you didn't just say "Bad" and had multiple reasons why, it sounded more like a firm belief than an opinion, so I thought I'd dig a little deaper for everyones benefit and to help support your claims.
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Old May 12, 2005 | 12:25 PM
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I kinda like the straight 6's....(yeah, I'm weird ). I've got a 66 coupe that has cancer, and is rotting away outside the garage/shop. I rebuilt that 6 banger about nineteen years ago. Drove it for about a year, and then parked-n-tarped it (never tarp a vehicle for a long period :nono: ). About 4 years ago my 16 year boy wanted to pull it around front and tinker on it. No problem. Replaced points, plugs, condensor, fresh oil, filter, battery, and other fluids topped off. Hooked up to a gas can for fresh fuel. Fired off on the third try. Now the body is still falling apart ( no rude comments please ) but that 6'er still runs good. There is so much room to work under the hood. If you like, you can EVEN get inside the engine compartment and work. Try that with an 8! You can even pull a six banger out faster than an 8. Also, rebuild it and get in back in faster, all for less $$$ than an 8!

Lman posted a link. Look at the components needing changed out. Price out the components. (now my wallet is screaming)
I say keep the 6 banger. Tinker away on it. Drive it ( gas isn't getting any cheaper either). And save your lawn mowing money for a respectable 87 - 90! Then build the car you want!
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Old May 12, 2005 | 02:18 PM
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If you do upgrade to a v8 eventially, do so in steps. Start with the front suspension and rear end, adding disc brakes up front (keeping the 6 if it is running). As discussed above, you'll need to change out your steering linkage and other things too, as you upgrade. Save up your money and spring for a 5.0 and AOD or T5 (or keep the C4 or toploader if you wish). There is a wealth of info on the swap, so look around.
Daniel
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Old May 13, 2005 | 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by pakrat@May 12, 2005, 11:15 AM
Oh it absolutely did and I did not question your opinion at all, not in the least, not even for a second, I don't even come close to disagreeing with it so it's not a problem in any way. Since it was such a strong opinion though I was curious what YOU were doing to support it is all? Didn't mean to hit a sore spot with you I was just wondering if you practice what you preach is all. If someone told me why they felt so strongly that I should be a democrat or a catholic or a vegatarian I'd just want to make sure that they aren't in actuality a Jewish Republican eating a bacon burger or something like that, ya see? Because you didn't just say "Bad" and had multiple reasons why, it sounded more like a firm belief than an opinion, so I thought I'd dig a little deaper for everyones benefit and to help support your claims.
I don't have a Mustang anymore or a older classic,i do have a future classic,a '97 Miata with over 100,000 miles,i make sure that is always properly maintained and kept in top shape. No V8 swaps,nothing that alters the character that the engineers designed into the car. I don't ever plan to sell it,but if the time came,i want to make sure the next owner gets a prime example of a great sports car. I would hope the next owner would preserve it in that condition for a future generation,of course,that's out of my hands once it's gone. Even if the car isn't a future classic,i'd treat it the same way if it was a regular focus or like our other car,a Nissan Pathfinder.
What people do with their cars is their business,but to take a good solid car and change it to something else that it is not,especially a older car that is not a common as a newer Mustang,is kinda annoying. I went to a recent auto show and saw a really neat Chevy II wagon,great shape,white,column shift,straight six,just a regular car,but a survivor. It was really unique among the Mach 1s,Goats and SS chevelles,which are almost a dime-a-dozen at car shows,but to see a old standard car is a treat,especially if it's all original. To drop a V8 in it or lower it or customize it completely just drains all the character out of a car like that.
The more original straight six Mustangs or 4-cylinder Mustangs or Mustang IIs we see at shows is one more that has escaped the crusher or a welders torch or other needless surgeries. We need to preserve these older "other" Mustangs to show future generations all the different variations of Mustangs,to show them not all Mustangs came with 5.0s or had hood scoops or are Shelbys.
Don't ever get me started on those awful Chevy V8 conversions to XJ Jags and Porsches,there should be a law!
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Old May 13, 2005 | 04:35 PM
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Honestly, for a classic I would have to say leave it stock. Just my opinion though
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Old May 17, 2005 | 11:40 AM
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I disagree I think that the more you customize your car the more charecter you give it. you go to a car show and you see lines and lines of classic mustangs that are all the same, then you come up to one that is completely different from the others because the owner WANTED something different. its your choice man. I own a 1968 coupe with a 351w and I am loving it!
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Old May 18, 2005 | 10:43 AM
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[Don't ever get me started on those awful Chevy V8 conversions to XJ Jags and Porsches,there should be a law!]

A law against putting an actual functioning engine in a classic bodystyle? :banana2:
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Old May 18, 2005 | 10:51 AM
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Keep it stock, just my .02..
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