cdynaco

I stand by my hunch until proven otherwise.

Overboost

You realize the one touch start is no different than hitting the scan button on your radio, right?

If you want to keep thinking change and innovation are the devil, then it sounds like you'll never buy another new car.

cdynaco

lol Well I've come of age pretty fast with a new '08 and a new '10 in the garage. Though I still like being able to crawl around my '83 F150 and my '69 Jimmy cattle truck with a screwdriver.

But I still say this is a needless feature for new age techie dweeb's. What's so hard about holding the key for a second or two?? As a shareholder, why was this money spent on engineering?? What grand purpose does it serve?? Just because we can doesn't always mean we should.

And back to the issue, why is his starter running on??

OAC_Sparky

A second or two isn't the issue. You mean you've never seen someone sit there and have the starter cranking for a minute or longer? Frying the starter? I have.

You have had old cars. Ever "flooded" one starting it? When I started driving, 50% of the time when someone couldn't start their car is because it was "flooded". Now, look now. How many people with a modern car has "flooded" their engine? You say "flooded" to a 25 year old they'll look at you like you're from outer space and ask what you were babbling about.

I remember back when fuel injection came in. I was building building 351Ws at Windsor Engine Plant 1 we were still running carbureted engines in addition to the fuel injected and CFI (central fuel injected) ones all down the same line. People used to rant on about how dumb the idea was that a carburetor was way more reliable and that injectors was another moving part we'd be replacing like spark plugs.

I don't think that in 27+ years of driving I've ever had to replace an injector due to failure in a personal car.

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As a shareholder, why was this money spent on engineering?? What grand purpose does it serve?? Just because we can doesn't always mean we should.

Why?

1. The computer controls the start cycle -- it will keep customers from overcranking, restarting a started car, etc. This saves the company money in warranty costs replacing starters and starter plates/flywheels.
2. You can add $25 of electronics and sell a customer a $250 remote starter system.
3. It takes the "idiot factor" out of car starting. Believe it -- there are more and more people out there that might be able to code an iPhone app but can't point out a spark plug unter the hood. They expect to have a lot of tasks we'd consider "no brainers" taken care of for them.
4. How many people do you hear complain of the lack of a starter button on certain Fords when "oh I can get one on my Audi....blahblahblah". So as a company you have to start offering these things or fall behind.

Because the car didn't start? Unless I'm missing something. Is the starter running on staying engaged while the car is running?

cdynaco

Well anyone with a brain knows to stop. (Granted there are many drivers without a brain.) But that was my immediate concern when I first read about this 'feature' in 5.0. That the computer would keep cranking in the event of a no start and the driver has no control. So the starter can still burn up, right? Or does the computer have a XX second safety cutoff that I am not aware of? Doesn't sound like it from the OP.

As for fuel injected, I have never been around one that didn't fire quickly. Had both personal and business vehicles during the 90's that were injected and put a few hundred thousand combined miles on them. 2.0 4 bangers, Ford 350, 460, 413 V10 trucks.


Rarely. And if so you wait a few seconds, hold the accelerator open and turn a few cranks to flush the chambers out with fresh air. Start at square one and you typically get a quick fire. Again - anyone with a brain about carb engines knows this.

Previous years had remote start without one start, correct? I don't see that one start is necessary to potentially sell remote start. Don't ask me what I think of remote start. lol

OAC_Sparky

It does. Sounds to me that the OP was more surprised that it kept going although he let go the key rather than it cranking for a minute, Maybe I'm wrong.

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As for fuel injected, I have never been around one that didn't fire quickly. Had both personal and business vehicles during the 90's that were injected and put a few hundred thousand combined miles on them. 2.0 4 bangers, Ford 350, 460, 413 V10 trucks.

That's my point. Over the long term, it's obvious that fuel injection was a great advancement. That didn't keep the old-timers from moaning about it when it came out.

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Rarely. And if so you wait a few seconds, hold the accelerator open and turn a few cranks to flush the chambers out with fresh air. Start at square one and you typically get a quick fire. Again - anyone with a brain about carb engines knows this.

The solution is obvious to mechanically inclined people that had to deal with it. I'm telling you there are drivers on the road that cannot put their own fuel in their car. And all the pissing and moaning won't change that. It's in Ford's best interest as a company to "idiotproof" cars because, idiot or not, Ford ends up footing the bill.

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Previous years had remote start without one start, correct?

Yes, and the dealer or an installer had to butcher a brand-new wiring harness to do it. The dealer made the money, not Ford; and when something went wrong often Ford ended up footing the bill.

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I don't see that one start is necessary to potentially sell remote start.

Because 2/3 of what is necessary for remote start is incorporated into the system already. Click click done.

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Don't ask me what I think of remote start. lol

I used to think the same thing until I had a girlfriend with one on her Fusion. Most people don't care until they've had it. At any rate, what you feel about the feature doesn't matter. What matters is that, as a Ford shareholder, as I am (I have $90,000 in shares myself) that Ford makes money off it.

Norberd

Here's the sequence of events when it (Unusually long cranking times) happens:

Turn key and let go.
Car begins turning over
Still turning over
Still turning over
Not firing, not sputtering, not doing anything but turn over
Still turning over
Glance over at my co-workers with both hands off the steering wheel and say..wtf?
Still turning over
FINALLY, the 5.0L roars to life, and idles fine.

Again, this has only happened a handfull of times.

OAC_Sparky

So what you are exhibiting is what a tech would label as a "hard start condition". As opposed to a "starter run-on" which would imply a jammed starter solenoid.

Norberd

Thanks! Now we are getting somewhere.

This sounds like this it is a fairly isolated case with the 2011's...as not many people have experienced it. I'll have to bring it up when I get the oil changed again this spring.

Overboost

What's a typical time frame that the starting issue occurs? 5 seconds? 10 seconds?

Norberd

I would say anywhere between 3 - 5 seconds.

pony racer

i too have had this happen several times since getting my car in July..

what i have found is by turning the ignition on.. then letting the gauges cycle through (ie computer check).. then moving the key to the start posistion..the car starts right up like normal


think of a home computer when it first gets to your desktop, if you click on something it CAN take several seconds to minutes (depending on your machine) to open up.. but if you wait for all your background programs to be running.. and click on something it opens right up..

same thing is PROBABLY happening to the computer in the car..

JMO..

DaSFGiants4Life

This happened To me last week as well. I tried to fire her up an just kept cranking and cranking. No mods on mine, bone stock. Hasn't happened again so far, but it did worry me a lot.

Fire512

I haven't had this happen to me, but I have heard about it on this site. I know it happened to Jcint a few times. I wouldn't say it was common but this isn't the first time I've heard it either.

Ethanjbeau

This happened to me as well. Especially when I left the car without starting it for a day or so. I would turn the key, let go, it would turn over for a couple seconds and then fire up. It hasn't happened lately. Same goes for the other problems I had. Maybe it had to do with break in. I dunno. But as I said it hasn't happened in a while.

Btw, whats flooding? Im 21

2011GT/CS

This happened again to me tonight. So annoying!

MRGTX

Add me to the list. I have had this happen three times now...each time I have turned the key off before it fired (not knowing if it ever would) and tried again to start the car. Twice it fired on the second try but the other day it required three attempts.

I'll try waiting for the guages to cycle, etc. from now on and see if it happens again...but it's unpredictable and fortunately rare.

BIGAL

WELL, I finally found the problem with the starter problem this is inherent in 2011 5.0 built prior to august 2010 there is a tsb that shows a reflash of the pcm which also clears up idle surge and hesitation. I don't remember the number but it starts with 11-xx-3 . I had it done yesterday at another dealer since the ignorant a******s where i bought it told me to make another appointment when i took it in for a oil change. it took a whopping 15 minutes to get this done, surging and hesitation gone and it feels like it picked up 50 horses

FordService

I’m happy to hear they were able to get you in and out and everything works great now BIGAL! Now you can continue to enjoy your Mustang!!!

Deysha

jaybertx

Did you end up taking it to Autoway?