kylerohde

Well, after a couple weeks of back & forth, I finally got an offer of resolution from Ford and my dealer. The cost for a new hood is approx. $2,200 painted. My dealer doesn't want to strip & repaint my existing hood, as they guaranteed the problem would come back. My dealer and Ford are willing to cover $1,000 of the cost, which still leaves me out a whole lot. Because it's only on the inside of the hood, I'm not going to go forward with it; it's just not worth the cost to me with all the other money I've put into this car already (see my newest post in this thread: https://themustangsource.com/f726/ch...ustang-529025/). If it ever started happening, I think I'd just get one of the aftermarket hoods for about $700 and get it painted and end up spending the same amount.

Considering Ford and my dealer don't technically have to do a **** thing about this, I guess the $1,000 offer isn't bad. Considering this is a 10 year old problem on Fords that they still haven't solved, it's still kind of crappy and I hope, for Ford's sake as a company, that the new F-150 that's all aluminum doesn't have these problems.

Note that doesn't appear to be a standard Ford offer but something my dealer and them negotiated. Your results may vary.

dave07

That's awful Kylerohde. I too wonder what is going to happen with the F150. It was going to be my next vehicle. Not sure about Fords anymore.





The corrosion on my hood. 2013 Mustang GT

88lx50

I think many of you are mistaking sloppy seam sealer for corrosion.

kylerohde

If you're referring to me, then the dealer body shop manager is also mistaken.

88lx50

No - I am referring to the pictures dave07 posted.

alfaromeo

Glad to come across this thread. I found same problems underneath my hood, some of which are very bad. I will take the car to dealer as soon as I get my chance out of work load.

dave07

The corner looks much better than before. However, upon getting my car home and inspecting it further, I noticed the paint is flaking!!!!! Seriously, wtf. It looks like they only did the corner and didn't touch anything else..

You can clearly see the aluminum oxidation under it as well.

SkyyPunk

Hey! I can join this club :P Was stuck in traffic a couple weeks ago...sun lit up under the back of the hood just enough... I thought it might just be dirty. Popped up the hood, found loads of bubbling paint

Attached pics are a handful of the spots with the issue - there are more

luap1376

Welcome to the club SkyyPunk! Sorry to hear we have a new member. Your car almost looks as widespread underneath as mine. Check out my posted pics on another thread to see what your car will look like next year. Mine has many visable spots on the exterior.

Make sure you take it to the local dealer ASAP, lots of good info on several threads about this issue. Good luck in getting this fixed correctly.

alfaromeo

My V6 has same problem as bad as SkyyPunk's car. Took a trip to dealer, they took pictures and inform me 1 day later that ford agreed to replace the hood for me. It sounds very good to me. Now, I am waiting the part arrival and have dealer body shop complete the work. fingers crossed.

dave07

Ford approved repainting the bottom of my hood. I guess the whole underside of the hood will be stripped and repainted. Will probably get the car back this week sometime. Will post pictures of the finished product!

ETR10

Well my car has the same problem and I just bought my car a week ago I'm going to call them tomorrow to fix it

luap1376

WOW, a week old car!! Talk about "buyers' remorse". That sucks, at least you have your warranty, good luck.

Read all the other posts on this topic, probably not a fix, just a delay until it returns. If it is a factory hood, you will always have a chance it will return. Keep patching it until warranty expires seems to be the corrective action Ford utilizes. Some other guys have had limited success with after market hoods, perhaps you can bring that topic up with the dealer.

ford4v429

to anyone that thinks their hood is OK, look closer.

yesterday I took a pick/scraper to my undriven/4 mile/sat in the garage under a shelby cover/ washed only twice since flatbedded home from michigan / 6 yr old 2009 mustang. two strawberry blossoms finally appeared under the hood, right where I knew they would, right from the tiny bubbles along the underside hem.

I replaced my 06's hood years ago, kept a close eye on the wifes 07, and even the 09(keep the battery unhooked, check the hood when connecting to warm it up or change the oil- yes oil changes on a car thats never been driven) and the little bubbles finally took off over the last 2 months. car was last wet 3 years ago, second time it was washed...had cobwebs under it.

love the cars (obviously) and put up with the crap hood work... but peeling the paint and powdery corrosion off a virgin car has REALLY pissed me off at ford for some reason. spending a grand plus 500(materials are high) for paint on a replacement hood for my 06 didnt bother me, watching the wifes 07 creep along this summer didnt bug me much- but picking the paint off the 09 REALLY has changed my opinion of Ford... shoulda been pissed long ago, but just put up with it, minor thing on a otherwise 'no regrets' car... still dont regret them, love the cars, but am seriously saying they are my last new Fords.

its not the hood- its the fact the problem continues a decade into it, it cannot be fixed and they have been mum about it...look at all the new mustangs in this thread...look at the pics i took at the auto show in both '13 and '14- brand new Ford products at the international auto show an MOST of them have crap hoods?

ford can kiss my *** as far as ever selling me another vehicle.

those who think your car is unaffected- look closer. at least 9 of 10 I've seen (including brand new ones) have tiny bubbles just under the hem, and I guarantee its going to blossom no matter how much care and pride you take in caring for it. before your 3/36 is up, FIND IT/TAKE IT IN/DEMAND A NEW HOOD no matter how small it is. if they deny it, (which they will) you will have documentation that it started under warranty whenever it blossoms up(which it will).

once corrosion starts under the lip it will return no matter what - unless the hem is unfolded to clean out the corrosion, which is just not possible.

if the ford guys make it expensive enough for them, they WILL fix the crappy prep/paint process.

again, if you think yours is fine, bet you haven't looked close enough.

look at the auto show pics in the 05-09 'ugh' thread.

four original miles. never, EVER even test driven. always indoors under a $600 Shelby car cover. only ever been wet TWICE in the last 6 years. hood is shot?
six years old or not, its 100% Fords fault, not the buyer. seeing all these blistered 13s has my blood boiling right now. they have had the problem since at least 2004 and they darn well have known about it.

Tim

ford4v429

call it what you want- it is unacceptable and I guarantee that will be the first spot to blister and peel.

we MUST quit making excuses for fords sloppy hood prep. complain, document, let the claim be denied, fine... but later when you have proof that it was there under warranty, you might just get their attention.

Turbo302

I feel ya! I bought my 2014 car brand new, drove from dealer to my place and car sat with all of 34 miles on it. After seeing this thread, I checked my car out. Sure enough on a brand spanking new car, there are small, but noticeable soft blisters near the seams and edges.

My car has never seen any water ever. I only clean it with microfiber and Wizzards Mist n Shine.

I will definitely bring it up when the car is driven to the dealer in the future. I known ultimately what will need to be done, which is paint work. I'm just at a crossroads as I don't want the paint on the outside jeopardized as it really is a perfect finish.

Sucks to own a Ford in today's times. I thought Ford was at he top of its game lately, guess not.

Still a great car, just not the quality I'd expect paying as much as they cost.

ford4v429

I felt the same way when I saw the blisters o the 09 (new). didnt want the paint screwed up on top, you simply cant replace factory baked original paint...

I dunno...wouldnt say sucks to own a ford, these are wonderful cars- I'd just say ford sucks for letting this decade old / well known crap process continue to become problems for customers to pay for- I'm not talking the cost to repair, but the 'cost' of having to put new parts on your pride-and-joy, worry about paint blending, and knowing no repaint can ever be 'good as new'- all simply because they refuse to put any effort at all into correcting it.

I'm done buying their otherwise preferred name solely because they dont care about fixing their obvious problems. I started griping long ago, mostly as Ive been worried the aluminum F150 could put them out of business if they drop the ball.
Sorry, I now care as much about future ford products as they care about customers. they have known about this issue, they let it continue, new cars still have it- somebody should be fired. this aint a accident, its known sloppy work and they still have done nothing.

hope I'm wrong, but the first F150 I come across is going to be nit-picked at every aluminum edge. if the KCAP F150 is OK, then the problem is just AAI... in any event Ford Corporate shoulda had this under control AT LEAST 5 years ago. they know its a problem. I know its NOT a problem with other makes that use aluminum. I KNOW every lowly Hyundai Ive ever looked at had absolutely perfect hem prep/sealing/underside paint. if they can do it on a 15k econobox, why did I get pics of a top shelf Boss302 at the international auto show with burred/unsealed edges and dirt/wire painted over under the hood??? this is a ten cent issue screwing up 50 thousand dollar cars and the more I think about it the more fed up with Ford I feel.

COBRAJET

Had the same problem on my Kona blue 11. Fortunately I noticed it with less than 36k miles on it. I heard it very hard for the dealer to get it covered if over the basic warranty. The dealer had to take photos of the problem then scheduled with a body shop. The body shop they used was very good and went to bat for me. They told me repairing & reprinting would not hold up. They convinced Ford to replace my hood. The did a great job matching the color. Was very happy with it. Good luck. My advice is to find out who does the body work. In my experience the work was outsourced, which might be why I got a new hood rather than a repair. If the dealer had it's own body shop, not sure I would have got a new hood.
Good luck

houtex

Oh, I missed this. Excellent. I'm on it now.

If the sloppy seam sealer issue was a thing... then why is it not popping up on other hoods? Or the other panels? Why is it ONLY the hoods here?

This is a goose chase excuse. It's provided as a misdirect to the real problem. It's not seam sealer. I can see contamination, sure. I can see galvanic corrosion, absolutely. I cannot see seam sealer as the issue when there are other panels this IS NOT HAPPENING WITH. And on other cars.

Only the hoods. That's a materials/procedures isssue. Period. So let us please put that one out of the realm, for it is not the case.

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Now, the reasons you need to undertstand for the seams being the biggest symptom shower on the aluminium hoods:

1) Paint on the seams is on the underside of the car. Gravity is pulling on the paint every second of the day and night. Keep that in mind.

2) The complexity of the panel at the seams is great. There's a split, there's extra curves and corners. These introduce extra stresses upon the paint compared to a flat surface.

3) Aluminum does NOT like to hold on to conventional primers and paints. It is almost like painting teflon. Paint and primers that aren't etching will not stick well. As such, the paint is more like plastidip than actual paint on a steel or plastic panel. Even the plastic requires flex additive (not used on the hoods!) and/or adhesion promoter to keep the paint stuck on the bumper. Unless the primer and/or paint are properly made to work with the aluminum hood, then this is going to be a problem.

4) Cars bounce over pavement and vibrate and whatnot. That shakes loose things.

You combine all that, and poof: Paint falls off the bottom of the hood. It's just the way it is.

Now, back to the seam sealer. Yes, indeed, IF there's seam sealer left in there, of course it will peel up the paint. Given. However, I again state the case that we're ONLY talking about the hoods, and very little, if any, about any other panel on the car. Anywhere. The car is done with the *same process* for all the panels, except bumpers and such (last I checked!) so why are the others not bubbling up and losing the paint as well? The likely explanation is that the seam sealer is trapped, because the paint holds so well on the other panels, but on the aluminum, the paint just *wants* to fall off. Or the seam sealer is temporarily trapped, but drains out after. Still the case that the paint holds on other panels, but not aluminum. It is, of course, all a theory, someone would have to actually demonstrate for proofs.

Seems to me it's not the seam sealer, per se, then. It's a possible factor, but way not the problem. And if it *was*... You would think that Ford would want to not have the problem keep surfacing... especially when the Mustang was the experiment, and F150 is the goal. Drain/blow out the seam sealer, and problem solved? I... think not, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.

They are SO going to to get class actioned on this by the legion of F150 buyers. Watch. I just hope we get our say/payment for the problem.

Ok. I'm done for the moment. Y'all kibitz at will.

laserred38

Has anyone ever stripped the hood down to the bare aluminum and clear coated it? I'm almost considering it...do a nice engine turned pattern with an orbital and clear coat. Problem solved lol