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Mustangs Coast to Coast
10/24/12, 01:41 AM
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10/24/12, 02:00 AM
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Hawaii is a state, lol. If I end up heading there I will take 30 days on the mainland on the way over!
10/24/12, 02:00 AM
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I'll take this one Lee.
The box that the cherry came in honey.
10/24/12, 04:34 AM
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Will do! Def gonna hit up Vegas for a couple days and stop in TX to visit the family. I'll go to CA too, probably end up flying out of LAX.
10/24/12, 06:23 AM
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10/24/12, 06:31 AM
Originally Posted by NinjaSteffers
Sooooo I'm watching BET hip hop awards.. & it's so crazy to see the differences between cultures.
10/24/12, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by phiggs54
That is not culture. Unless you are comparing it to what grows in a petri dish. (talking about hip hop, not race)
glad you clarified that
10/24/12, 07:20 AM
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10/24/12, 08:28 AM
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Need five good reasons why ford is better than chevy...my sister's looking at new cars. Go! 
10/24/12, 08:30 AM
Originally Posted by Blue Notch
Need five good reasons why ford is better than chevy...go!
2) Mustang in continuous priduction since launch
3) Ford does not make the Volt
10/24/12, 08:50 AM
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That was three. 
10/24/12, 10:04 AM
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I do 90 miles a day 200 stops a day 275-300 packages a day. Now takes these numbers to your driver and ask him how good I am. and yes that is done on route in 4 to 4 1/2 hours. And listen to your driver go GOD **** HE'S AWESOME or he won't believe it. I'll put this way, when I take day off, they have to break my route up because it takes a cover driver 14 hours to do it.
What about Lunch? It is a DOT requirement that you take a lunch....You could code 5 and do straight hours but UPS doesn't like that....so unless you have a "friend" who is allowing you to Code 5 your day then you MUST take a lunch per DOT requirements....UPS official policy is to require a lunch.
What is your SPOR?
Like I said - your point is irrelevant.
Every route I know is structured around 60 hrs a week. That's as far back as the 80's to current, Sacramento to Portland to Bend and routes in between. Beer, bread, coffee, soda, produce, wine & liquor, food service, janitor supplies, etc. - all business deliveries - some union many non. (Pity the poor Schwan's house to house - more like 80 hrs.)
Granted yours is not route sales just a delivery job. But even ups structures the route - delivery tme + miles - to be around 60 hrs/wk.
Every route I know is structured around 60 hrs a week. That's as far back as the 80's to current, Sacramento to Portland to Bend and routes in between. Beer, bread, coffee, soda, produce, wine & liquor, food service, janitor supplies, etc. - all business deliveries - some union many non. (Pity the poor Schwan's house to house - more like 80 hrs.)
Granted yours is not route sales just a delivery job. But even ups structures the route - delivery tme + miles - to be around 60 hrs/wk.
Quit talkin smack Joe. You don't know crap outside of LA. There's a whole different world out there besides your driving down a couple of city streets and being done in 4 hrs. That is pathetic!
And shame on your mgmt for stealing from shareholders by paying you outrageous full union pay and bennies for a half days work.
If you had to keep up with route guys across the country you'd be whining about your sore back and legs like you did last xmas.
And shame on your mgmt for stealing from shareholders by paying you outrageous full union pay and bennies for a half days work.
If you had to keep up with route guys across the country you'd be whining about your sore back and legs like you did last xmas.
He is not "Batman"....he is "BOXMAN"
If it is repeated enough then it's true!
I KNOW Ups and you've never worked for Ups, so who knows more about Ups? Someone who hasn't worked one day for Ups or someone who's worked for Ups for 23 years? And by the way Mr. Knowitall, I save the company money, because they only have to pay me straight time and not overtime. The company saves 15 to 20k a year not having to pay me overtime.
It's your choice if you want to bust your **** to be done ahead of time but it's a personal choice for you and not because you are "saving the company money" unless you were on some sort of bonus reward program.
I know dozens of route guys from Sac to Portland like I said - incl ups - going back 30 yrs. What do you think - when the clock says their little 8 hr day is over - and they're stuck at Crater Lake putting chains on - that their day is simply over?? What about the transport guys that get stuck on the Siskiyou's when the pass closes - think they simply stop at 8 hrs and Scotty beams them back to the depot??
> JOE CLUELESS IN LA!
> JOE CLUELESS IN LA!
You are absolutely correct. It's something that has to be handled on a facility level though. And it can be handled. It's just not usually. Bad unions. Bad leadership. Bad attitudes. Expecting more for less. Yep it happens everywhere. But it all can be fixed even with unionization. We have local companies that praise their unions for doing such a good job and having really good relationships between both parties. But it only takes a couple bad eggs to ruin everything. So all unions look like what the UAW is portrayed to be.
If I were a UNION guy, I could easily just slow down and the company would have a ****. They would have to take off half my route and hire another driver to cover it, but I'm not like the other guys, I want to live my life and not spend it half working, so I bust my *** and even though I complain to them on a daily basis about doing more than everyone, I still do it.
I included both in my reply. Don't shirk it. Drivers have to deal with weather, traffic, and other delays across the country and across the world. They simply can't stop because their watch says 8 hrs or whatever.
Look - you're all defensive - maybe you're taking me the wrong way. I'm sure you're well trained. But the company (therefore the shareholders since ups is public) has made a huge investment in you - training, pay, health & welfare bennies. They deserve a full days work out of you. Why don't you have a full route?? You know, a full days work?
Look - you're all defensive - maybe you're taking me the wrong way. I'm sure you're well trained. But the company (therefore the shareholders since ups is public) has made a huge investment in you - training, pay, health & welfare bennies. They deserve a full days work out of you. Why don't you have a full route?? You know, a full days work?
I'm with Charlie on this one. Every route I know of, in any industry is more than 4 hours/day, and I grew up around drivers and route workers.
and the only possible way I can see you getting finished and doing all the work like you claim you do is drive your truck and throw packages out. Maybe he has a package cannon...pulls up to a strip mall and launches those babies out there!
and the only possible way I can see you getting finished and doing all the work like you claim you do is drive your truck and throw packages out. Maybe he has a package cannon...pulls up to a strip mall and launches those babies out there!
You're with Charlie on what one? Are you going to tell me about Ups too? That is funny what you said because they do make that same joke at work. I've also heard that I have all my customers trained and they all meet me at one location and pick up their own packages. LOL they also use the "check the dumpsters on my route for all the packages" I've delivered. Lol
That's just because you dream of man love and know Lee would give it to you good
Nah man. I'm sure he has his own system set up to where he can get his job done in half the time. Just like every other ups driver has a set route. If he gave up his system to the company they would ask for double the work. Is that really fair? Some drivers I'm sure can do the same but decide to work slowly and stretch it out to a full day. Some would rather sprint to the door and sprint back to the truck to save time. Some days I get to work, get it all done quickly and chill for the rest of my shift. Some days I just stretch it out to make the time go by. But you turds just wouldn't understand because you see UNION only. 
I just don't get it. How can you drive 90 miles in a freight truck, avg at most 45 mph...that's 2 hours in and of itself! Even if all 200 of your stops in in the same mall for instance, you're still averaging less than 40 seconds per stop. And that's only if you're doing one package per stop.
I bust *** to get work finished better than anyone, and I'd love to believe you, but something seems a bit out of whack. Not claiming you're fibbing, just saying.
I bust *** to get work finished better than anyone, and I'd love to believe you, but something seems a bit out of whack. Not claiming you're fibbing, just saying.
You're exactly right. The route is driven the same way every day and after doing the route for as long as I have, I can drive it blindfolded. Ups customers are 90% repeat customers. I don't have to look at street names, street numbers, I know all of them by heart. and to exactly what you said, when I took my route it was 125 stops, the faster I got done they added stops. They've added 10 stops every year I've had the route and only stopped when the stop count was so high it was Ridiculous and they couldn't get it done when I took a day off.
Not necessarily....my old driver was awesome, he did FAR more than the current one but because the current one had seniority, he was able to take the route from him because it was up for bid. While the other guy still has a job, he lost the route he loved.
38/40 of the miles are freeway travel time to and from the route at 70 mph. I start my route at 9:30 and do 45-50 stops an hour. I only have 30 stops of business, the rest is all residential. I'm done on route from 1:30 to 2:00 the 4 hours I'm talking about is on route first stop to last stop is 4 hours. 20 to 30 minutes travel to route and from route to hub totaling 40 to 60 minutes travel time. My full day clocking in and clocking out 5 hours total
Again - number of stops are irrelevant as to getting the job - you know deliveries?? - done? Under (near) maximum efficiency so as to compete in the global economy with productivity??
Do you know how many people can do your job just as well?? Why - cause you walk fast, talk fast, treat people bluntly & rudely (as demonstrated on TMS) so as to blitz through a delivery schedule, you are somehow unique?? A jillion men & women can do that!
Look how many people have been - and are getting laid off - but you brag about a 4 hr day for such overpay?? You and MGMT and UAW are out of reality. Middle America from ebay, to brick and mortar, pay those fees. So you can live so high on the hog for a lame butt 4 hr day route job?? You're killing me Joe! 
It's not like route sales because regardless of your (allegedly) uncle monkey - after thousands of years - one fact remains... (assuming you even get this lol)
You can't teach a dog to hunt. Period.
Go home early Joe - you aren't capable of a full route.
Do you know how many people can do your job just as well?? Why - cause you walk fast, talk fast, treat people bluntly & rudely (as demonstrated on TMS) so as to blitz through a delivery schedule, you are somehow unique?? A jillion men & women can do that!
Look how many people have been - and are getting laid off - but you brag about a 4 hr day for such overpay?? You and MGMT and UAW are out of reality. Middle America from ebay, to brick and mortar, pay those fees. So you can live so high on the hog for a lame butt 4 hr day route job?? You're killing me Joe!
It's not like route sales because regardless of your (allegedly) uncle monkey - after thousands of years - one fact remains... (assuming you even get this lol)
You can't teach a dog to hunt. Period.
Go home early Joe - you aren't capable of a full route.
NOT ON YOUR BEST DAY. I don't get award after award after award at Ups for nothing pal. There's not a driver in the district that can touch my work production, not one. I do the work of 2 drivers and you think you can hang with me. I laugh
So by your logic, all the drivers clocking out at 7:00 pm are better drivers. Paul's driver is a better driver than me. Hahahahaha drivers that take 12 hours to deliver 130 stops hahahbetter than me hahahahaha I can deliver 130 stops by noon and wave at them when I'm driving home while they're on stop number 32
So by your logic, all the drivers clocking out at 7:00 pm are better drivers. Paul's driver is a better driver than me. Hahahahaha drivers that take 12 hours to deliver 130 stops hahahbetter than me hahahahaha I can deliver 130 stops by noon and wave at them when I'm driving home while they're on stop number 32
On this same attitude you have taken though....you couldn't do what I do on YOUR best day either. I can replace a clutch in a '95 Mustang in less than 30 minutes from the time I get in the car to pull it in the shop to the time to pull it out....but that comes from experience of doing so many. Maybe if you had my experience you could try to come close. I can do a heater core in a fox Mustang in under 2 hours....it's an 8 hour job in the book. I can do a fuel pump in less than 15 minutes....less than 4 minutes in an S197
Charlie I really hate to take up for Joe but I have to. You are telling him that he should time his job out to last 11hrs if that's what his pay is based upon? I've worked on both sides of the argument. I worked a commission only mechanic job for over 10 years. Put in 50-60hrs a week, work late even weekends when the shop was closed to maybe squeeze 40 if I'm lucky. Go to work for 9 hrs and get paid for 2 because lack of business. Now on the other side of the spectrum, I get paid better money to just be here for 12hrs and maybe only do real work for 2hrs. And get paid for every minute that I am here. The same thing goes for non-union jobs just like mine. You agree to take a job for a certain pay and do that job in a certain amount of time. I don't see how finishing early is doing your company an injustice.
2) They didn't take a bailout
3) They didn't take a bailout
4) They didn't take a bailout
5) They didn't take a bailout
OH, Joe...my local route is 123 miles(less than 10 highway, rest is rural) and 95-100 stops. My former driver could do 120-150 stops on the same route. They reduced this guys numbers because he couldn't handle the same level the former driver did.
Good morning everyone!
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Originally Posted by phiggs54
I wanted to leave room for others to contribute
I think Paul just captured the whole stupidity of last nights conversation. Next person who mentions UPS and Joe in the same post gets
