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kylerohde 9/22/11 02:19 PM

California is why you guys don't have Trackey yet.
 
Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere, but I didn't see it anywhere else. Just saw this on Jalopnik - read it here.

California is why you can’t get the Boss Mustang TracKey

Ford's Trackey setup for the Mustang Boss 302 promised to unlock the pony car's racing side with special software engaged by a separate key. Yet nearly a year after being announced, Trackey still isn't for sale, thanks to bickering between Ford and California environmental regulators.

In theory, the system changes more than 200 engine parameters using software installed by dealers that give the 302 Boss a racing personality, including such useful tricks as launch control. By tying it to a key and software, all the owner has to do once off-track is simply start the car with a regular key, restoring the everyday personality of a 444-hp Mustang. As Ford said when it announced Trackey last November, "anything that could possibly affect all-out performance is deleted from the TracKey calibration."

That's where California comes in. Because it's an add-on part that affects engine emissions, Ford needed to have Trackey approved by the California Air Resources Board. Doing so required Ford to meet CARB's three big rules for aftermarket parts: They can't worsen emissions, affect the engine's durability or mess with on-board computer diagnostics.

So far, Ford hasn't been able to do that.

CARB and Ford declined to be more specific about the issues with Trackey. John Swanton, air pollution specialist with CARB, did tell Jalopnik manufacturers often have a little room to boost the performance of their standard vehicles with bolt-on parts without worsening emissions — but that the rules are clear.

Another thing about CARB: Like a license office, it handles approvals on a first-come, first-serve system. If someone gets to the front of the line without having their papers in order, they have to go to the back of the line and wait, which is what Mustang Boss 302 owners will have to do for some time to come. At least they can make Hitler screaming videos while they wait.

davesvt2000 9/22/11 02:24 PM

It is true that Cali. is holding up track key, but this statement is false:


Because it's an add-on part that affects engine emissions

cdynaco 9/22/11 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by davesvt2000 (Post 6145841)
It is true that Cali. is holding up track key, but this statement is false:

What makes you think changing A/F ratios, ignition timing, and cam timing/valve overlap - all of which are needed to tweak the most out of an internal combusion engine - wouldn't affect emissions?

texastboneking 9/22/11 02:28 PM

Just don't release the key in California? Who lives there anyways? :jester:

ShaneM 9/22/11 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by texastboneking (Post 6145847)
Just don't release the key in California? Who lives there anyways? :jester:

im not buying this, parts labeled for off road use only don't need CARB approval do they? if they did drag racing wouldn't be very lively in Cali. the key clearly states off road use only when started. Ford already has to make specific cali emissions, so give states that can have track key the fracking key and sort out carb later. this whole thing just doesn't smell right to me.

5 DOT 0 9/22/11 02:39 PM

There is absolutely NOTHING new in that article. Move along...

AlsCobra 9/22/11 02:43 PM

The problem with CARB approval is not just passing emissions. If it won't pass emissions, it will damage the cats. Which brings me back to my post on the other thread. The boss needs better cats. Won't be cheap for Ford to replace all the Boss cats out there. Something the engineers must have missed.

cdynaco 9/22/11 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by AlsCobra (Post 6145858)
If it won't pass emissions, it will damage the cats. Which brings me back to my post on the other thread.

I remember that. Interesting.

AlsCobra 9/22/11 02:51 PM

The main objective of the PCM and its programming is to control emissions. Power and efficiency are secondary. Even limp mode is not designed to protect you engine, it's there to try and control the emissions and the cats specifically.

Bossdog 9/22/11 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by 5 DOT 0 (Post 6145852)
There is absolutely NOTHING new in that article. Move along...

Yes, Move along, these are not the droids you are looking for!

ShaneM 9/22/11 03:04 PM

here's the deal though, a car that runs leaner actually needs less fuel, which is why many are going to direct injection for more efficient burning of fuel (at least that is what i read about that). my tune on my car gave me 6 mpg more lead footing it all the time. leaner = better mpg so with obamathmatics that means a tuned stang is more green than stock right! :)

kylerohde 9/22/11 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by 5 DOT 0 (Post 6145852)
There is absolutely NOTHING new in that article. Move along...

No? I hadn't seen the California-being-the-holdup story until this one. My bad in posting, sorry. :banghead:

5 DOT 0 9/22/11 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by kylerohde (Post 6145877)
No? I hadn't seen the California-being-the-holdup story until this one. My bad in posting, sorry. :banghead:

Seriously we've known about the CARB issue since March 2011.

AlsCobra 9/22/11 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by ShaneM
here's the deal though, a car that runs leaner actually needs less fuel, which is why many are going to direct injection for more efficient burning of fuel (at least that is what i read about that). my tune on my car gave me 6 mpg more lead footing it all the time. leaner = better mpg so with obamathmatics that means a tuned stang is more green than stock right! :)

Lean means hotter exhaust temps and will damage the cats. You can get better efficiency and more power running a bit lean. But it does produce more heat.

11SHELBYGT500 9/22/11 03:34 PM

You're welcome

06GT 9/22/11 03:45 PM

OH LOOK, IT'S THIS THREAD AGAIN!!

PACETTR 9/22/11 05:06 PM

ugh...

Berol 9/22/11 05:49 PM


OH LOOK, IT'S THIS THREAD AGAIN!!
ROFL

I am waiting for somebody to reply and say that their red key starts the car, therefore they must have trackey. Or, they talked to their dealer, paid them a service charge and their dealer programmed trackey for them last week.

Once that happens, this thread is complete.

Whammer 9/22/11 06:02 PM

My dealer has the track key programming but he's not allowed to install it yet, he needs Ford's approval.
He did however install it in my car and let me drive it for the day. At the end of the day I had to return the red key to him and he locked it in the dealership's safe. He will release to key to me once he gets approval from Ford.

texastboneking 9/22/11 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by Whammer
My dealer has the track key programming but he's not allowed to install it yet, he needs Ford's approval.
He did however install it in my car and let me drive it for the day. At the end of the day I had to return the red key to him and he locked it in the dealership's safe. He will release to key to me once he gets approval from Ford.

How did it drive? :)

Whammer 9/22/11 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by texastboneking (Post 6146011)
How did it drive? :)

I'm not allowed to say until I get approval from Ford.

01roushstg1 9/22/11 06:38 PM

I don't see why Ford won't release the key to other states, Roush did this on there new RS3 released to all of the states but Cali and after all of the CARB tests it is now Legal to sell there, after almost a year.

Flagstang 9/22/11 06:40 PM

:sucks::agree:

Originally Posted by 06GT (Post 6145916)
OH LOOK, IT'S THIS THREAD AGAIN!!


5 DOT 0 9/22/11 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Whammer (Post 6146042)
I'm not allowed to say until I get approval from Ford.

:bs:

I've driven a TracKey equipped car. :D

12C/OBoss 9/22/11 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Whammer (Post 6146042)
I'm not allowed to say until I get approval from Ford.


LOL:lol: or do you mean CARB??????????????!!!!:dunno:

cdynaco 9/22/11 07:12 PM

Canadian Air Resources Board? :wonder:

Whammer 9/22/11 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by 2006stiguy (Post 6146087)
LOL:lol: or do you mean CARB??????????????!!!!:dunno:


:lol: LOL

Fenderaddict2 9/22/11 10:21 PM

200 parameters? What happened to the original 600? Oh boy...

Overboost 9/23/11 05:20 AM

IMO, the best thing that can happen is the federal government steps in, makes the CA emissions the new standard, and unifies everything to a standard. This way, no more CA emissions, and everyone is on the same page. OEMs would have to design one emissions system, instead of tweaking it for specific regions.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-e...onomy/carb.htm

After reading that, it sounds like the time for CARB has come and gone. While it was a novel original idea, it needs to be taken out back behind the shed and dealt with.

Whammer 9/23/11 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2 (Post 6146239)
200 parameters? What happened to the original 600? Oh boy...


It was originally 200 in everything I read in the beginning. Somehow it jumped to 600 over the coming months.

Whammer 9/23/11 06:33 AM

Can someone enlighten me about exhaust systems that state "for off road use only". Are they able to be sold in Calif.? Do they have to pass CARB?

I'm just not understanding why Ford is having such a hard time? Just state it is for off road use only and move on.

Perhaps Ford needed to do this in reverse......standard tune on the car is the Red Key and the dealer then programs the Black Key. This way the "modification" actually improves the emissions and would easily pass CARB.

Overboost 9/23/11 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Whammer (Post 6146328)
Can someone enlighten me about exhaust systems that state "for off road use only". Are they able to be sold in Calif.? Do they have to pass CARB?

I'm just not understanding why Ford is having such a hard time? Just state it is for off road use only and move on.

Perhaps Ford needed to do this in reverse......standard tune on the car is the Red Key and the dealer then programs the Black Key. This way the "modification" actually improves the emissions and would easily pass CARB.

Yep, they still have to have a CARB EO sticker or it'll be considered illegal in CA.

The way I understand it is Ford, being an OEM, has to adhere to stricter standards than an aftermarket tuner. Because this is offered as an accessory, it falls in line with all FMVSS standards and EPA/CARB requirements. FRPP parts are the same way, in that they have to pass the OEMs required testing in order to be sold under that name. When Ford Racing installed the tune on my car at Livernois earlier this year, the engineer who came out explained it as such. He was stressing the extra lengths that they go through to test and validate their products over the aftermarket ones.

mycroft 9/23/11 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by 5 DOT 0 (Post 6146048)
:bs:

I've driven a TracKey equipped car. :D

So have I. The launch control is NICE, the idle is fun to listen to for a while. Other than that, you're really not missing much.

phiggs54 9/23/11 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Whammer
My dealer has the track key programming but he's not allowed to install it yet, he needs Ford's approval.
He did however install it in my car and let me drive it for the day. At the end of the day I had to return the red key to him and he locked it in the dealership's safe. He will release to key to me once he gets approval from Ford.

You forgot the part about needing your loan paid off (if you have one) before you can retrieve your TracKey

5 DOT 0 9/23/11 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by mycroft (Post 6146360)
So have I. The launch control is NICE, the idle is fun to listen to for a while. Other than that, you're really not missing much.

Yep the more aggressive engine braking is more obvious than the more aggressive throttle response IMO. Both will make driving the car on the street less smooth for anything other than short distances. I liked the idle especially when the car was warm. I doubt I'll be using the launch control more than a few times during my ownership of the car. Regardless I'll be buying it as soon as it becomes available. I hope someone puts their car on a dyno so we can see what the differences are with the torque curve and HP. :nice:

Whammer 9/23/11 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Overboost (Post 6146348)
Yep, they still have to have a CARB EO sticker or it'll be considered illegal in CA.

The way I understand it is Ford, being an OEM, has to adhere to stricter standards than an aftermarket tuner. Because this is offered as an accessory, it falls in line with all FMVSS standards and EPA/CARB requirements. FRPP parts are the same way, in that they have to pass the OEMs required testing in order to be sold under that name. When Ford Racing installed the tune on my car at Livernois earlier this year, the engineer who came out explained it as such. He was stressing the extra lengths that they go through to test and validate their products over the aftermarket ones.


Then I still say Ford should partner with American Muscle and supply the TracKey through them. It's a perfect solution to work around the CARB problem.

Fenderaddict2 9/23/11 07:49 PM

I think marketing and developing the key along with the car made carb jump all over the aftermarket nature of the tune.


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