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Old May 20, 2011 | 07:39 PM
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Brake Bleeder for fluid changes

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Instead of just asking a question I made an effort to take some pics and show you guys what I've been using for about 5 years on my Ford truck to replace all the brake fluid every 2 years.

Like many others I use the Super Blue and Amber german fluid from RaceShopper.com. http://www.raceshopper.com/ate_brake_fluid.shtml

This is WHAT I USE ON MY TRUCK. I'm looking for someone to verify whether or not it will fit the Bosses.

http://store.motiveproducts.com/ford...-0107-p38.aspx

Here's some pics of the business end of the bleeder where it interfaces with the brake fluid reservoir. With any luck it'll fit the Boss...

Yes the Falcon needs paint...

Notice the "Three Prong Cap" style.

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These things work awesome compared to the old pump the pedal two person routine. Here's a writeup on another site. Wonder who did it??


http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/52...with-pics.html
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Old May 20, 2011 | 09:39 PM
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Great info. That is something that I haven't done myself in almost two decades.
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Old May 21, 2011 | 05:00 AM
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Because of the hydroscopic nature of all brake fluids (except DOT 5) I prefer not to use air pressure type bleeding systems. The increased air pressure on the fluid supply side can "force" ambient moisture from the air into your new fluid as you change it.

I prefer the vacuum pump system where you create a suction at each corner and draw new fluid from the master cylinder into the lines and caliper. Just my opinion.

And yes I know you have used your pressure system for 5 years now on your Falcon without a problem, but I dare say the fluid temperature requirements of that vintage Ford are quite different than a spiritively driven Boss.

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Old May 21, 2011 | 08:08 AM
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Is that the metal cap on there? They originally sent me the plastic one, and then developed an anodized blue billet one. The plastic one on my 09 GT sprayed fluid all over, wasn't stiff enough to hold pressure -- really pissed me off.
Ordered the new one, but haven't yet used it as I just use the SpeedBleeders instead, though haven't done a full flush. For a full flush the Motive would be quite useful.
I understand what Corsa is saying as well, but don't you think the pressure inside the master cylinder (which is never air free) is higher than the motive can, when you're heavily braking and the engine is hot? That probably does as much to force air into the fluid as using the Motive.

http://store.motiveproducts.com/blac...-1118-p80.aspx

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Old May 21, 2011 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by P0 Corsa
Because of the hydroscopic nature of all brake fluids (except DOT 5) I prefer not to use air pressure type bleeding systems. The increased air pressure on the fluid supply side can "force" ambient moisture from the air into your new fluid as you change it.

I prefer the vacuum pump system where you create a suction at each corner and draw new fluid from the master cylinder into the lines and caliper. Just my opinion.

And yes I know you have used your pressure system for 5 years now on your Falcon without a problem, but I dare say the fluid temperature requirements of that vintage Ford are quite different than a spiritively driven Boss.
I've never heard of that concern- forcing moisture into the fluid. Is there a temp humidity scale that shows when this becomes a concern?

This thing is one of the finest tools I have and has served me and many fellow truck owners for many years now. I should have been more specific. My truck is a 1999 Ford SuperDuty PowerStroke 4x4 6-Speed Crew Cab. With a trailer and a full load of dirt bikes, ice chests, camping gear, fuel, and firewood going up and over the Sierra Nevada range like on HWY 88 to Blue Lakes, it's pretty demanding on the braking system.

The Falcon gets cheap Dot 3 the old fashioned way but did get four wheel disks a couple of years ago! In a few weeks I'll be driving the '10 T that doesn't even have front brakes...

Oh and my cap is black ABS plastic it looks like. I'm just hoping it fits and I don't have to buy a new adapter.
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Old May 23, 2011 | 08:38 AM
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Well obviously high ambient temperature and high humidity conditions at the time of fluid changeout, present a greater opportunity to "fowl" or compromise the new fluid as it is introduced into the brake system.

I just do not use a forced pressure system, unless the pressurizing tank has a membrane which separates the new brake fluid from the pressurizing air.
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Old Oct 31, 2011 | 06:57 PM
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Bump!

I guess I'll email myself at work to remind me to call them during work hours. Here's the link to the list of applications. Shows 2005+ but that could be old.

http://www.motiveproducts.com/files/...on%20Guide.pdf

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Old Oct 31, 2011 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Boss
Bump!

I guess I'll email myself at work to remind me to call them during work hours. Here's the link to the list of applications. Shows 2005+ but that could be old.

http://www.motiveproducts.com/files/...on%20Guide.pdf

http://motiveproducts.com/
Getting ready to install some DOT 4?
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Old Oct 31, 2011 | 07:37 PM
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Here is the one that I use on the Boss.
http://store.motiveproducts.com/blac...-0118-p82.aspx

Don't know what I would do with out this. Used one on my race car and never had a problem.
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Old Oct 31, 2011 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 5 DOT 0
Getting ready to install some DOT 4?
Yes sir! Just placed my order for the duct kit. Do I wait until it arrives then fax the receipt to Ford Racing? Anyone have fax # / contact info?

Originally Posted by Dean#4AI
Here is the one that I use on the Boss.
http://store.motiveproducts.com/blac...-0118-p82.aspx

Don't know what I would do with out this. Used one on my race car and never had a problem.
Thanks Dean! Exactly what I was looking for.
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Old Oct 31, 2011 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dean#4AI
Here is the one that I use on the Boss.
http://store.motiveproducts.com/blac...-0118-p82.aspx

Don't know what I would do with out this. Used one on my race car and never had a problem.
Dean helped me bleed my brakes at VIR with this product. It worked great! I am going to get one with the drain bottle as well. You could make one probably pretty easy as well (the drain bottle)....
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Old Oct 31, 2011 | 11:06 PM
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I ended up going with Russell speed bleeders when I decided to change my fluid - very happy with the result and ease of use.
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Old Oct 31, 2011 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ulrichw
I ended up going with Russell speed bleeders when I decided to change my fluid - very happy with the result and ease of use.
Any link? Thanks.
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Old Nov 1, 2011 | 12:08 AM
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I ended up using these: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RUS-639630/

I've seen other sources say that the 639560 is the correct part number - mine seem to fit fine. I used them front and rear.

The Brembo's have two bleed screws, so you need a total of 3 of these (for 6 total bleeders) - 2 each for the front and 1 each for the rear.
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Old Nov 1, 2011 | 07:33 AM
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I've got the Speed Bleeder brand installed, and they work good.
http://www.speedbleeder.com/
Based on recommendations from forum posts, I got the stainless versions of them.
Size for front and rear Boss is SB1010S (1.0 thread pitch, 10mm, short).
I have the wife help for complete fluid changes. She pumps the brakes while I watch for clean fluid and to make sure the reservoir doesn't run dry. After a track day, I do it myself--one pedal pump per bleeder pushes out enough fluid for me.
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Old Nov 1, 2011 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Fat Boss
Yes sir! Just placed my order for the duct kit. Do I wait until it arrives then fax the receipt to Ford Racing? Anyone have fax # / contact info?



Thanks Dean! Exactly what I was looking for.
Just looked at my Duct Kit which I ordered last week. If you are referring to the front fascia hose mounts they are in the kit.

Peter
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Old Nov 1, 2011 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by OLOABoss
Just looked at my Duct Kit which I ordered last week. If you are referring to the front fascia hose mounts they are in the kit.

Peter
Your kit came with the extra fascia pieces that the duct hose mounts to? Where did you order your kit from? Most kits have not included the fascia pieces but maybe Ford finally realized they were omitting the pieces.

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Old Nov 1, 2011 | 08:30 AM
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Your kit came with the extra fascia pieces that the duct hose mounts to? Where did you order your kit from? Most kits have not included the fascia pieces but maybe Ford finally realized they were omitted the pieces.
Got it from LMR the box had been opened and resealed so maybe they were added later as Ford realized their mistake.

Peter
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Old Nov 1, 2011 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ulrichw
I ended up using these: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RUS-639630/

I've seen other sources say that the 639560 is the correct part number - mine seem to fit fine. I used them front and rear.

The Brembo's have two bleed screws, so you need a total of 3 of these (for 6 total bleeders) - 2 each for the front and 1 each for the rear.
I have not installed them but did order the bleeders. The 33mm is correct for the front but I ordered the 35mm for the rear. That should be correct since the rear is the same as the GT, however until I install them not sure if the shorter ones in the rear will make any difference.

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Old Nov 2, 2011 | 03:39 AM
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I have the Russell Speed Bleeders still in the box (x3 pairs) I'll let go on the cheap. I changed my mind to use the Motive Products bleeder after I ordered them.
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