GT350 AND Mach 1?
6/20/13, 06:37 PM
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Pretty much.
I imagine the Coyote V8 will be the basic V8 powerplant for the Mustang now with various states of tune and induction (NA and forced) being the main differences, perhaps with even some architecture changes--a bore and/or stroke job for a bit more displacement--but I'd be a little more questioning on that. I suspect most of the differences will be in tuning for the sub-GT500 models and the latter having turbos lashed to it. Who knows though, Ford hogged out the 5.4 to 5.7l for the GT500s swan song, so who knows, today's Ford really isn't the "good enough" Ford of even a few years ago.
As for the GT500, presuming it does go the turbo route, I wonder if they put them in the V, with "hot-V" reverse-flow heads, like many/most 90-degree V8s seem to be doing lately or keep them outside the V like the 60-degree TT3.5 Egoboost 3.5?
I imagine the Coyote V8 will be the basic V8 powerplant for the Mustang now with various states of tune and induction (NA and forced) being the main differences, perhaps with even some architecture changes--a bore and/or stroke job for a bit more displacement--but I'd be a little more questioning on that. I suspect most of the differences will be in tuning for the sub-GT500 models and the latter having turbos lashed to it. Who knows though, Ford hogged out the 5.4 to 5.7l for the GT500s swan song, so who knows, today's Ford really isn't the "good enough" Ford of even a few years ago.
As for the GT500, presuming it does go the turbo route, I wonder if they put them in the V, with "hot-V" reverse-flow heads, like many/most 90-degree V8s seem to be doing lately or keep them outside the V like the 60-degree TT3.5 Egoboost 3.5?
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6/20/13, 07:29 PM
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That stripped down GT350, with a hoped for 500hp, is sounding like my freaking dream car. It'd be great with a sub-3500 curb weight. We'll see where the standard S550 lands in weight, but I suspect that the GT350 will target the new Z28...at least I hope because that car is a beast!
6/20/13, 08:18 PM
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That stripped down GT350, with a hoped for 500hp, is sounding like my freaking dream car. It'd be great with a sub-3500 curb weight. We'll see where the standard S550 lands in weight, but I suspect that the GT350 will target the new Z28...at least I hope because that car is a beast!
6/20/13, 10:18 PM
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I wouldn't complain about being pleasantly surprised with a 600hp NA V8 though especially if Ford meets its professed weight targets for the next Mustang.
6/21/13, 10:02 AM
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This seems to be a common complaint about Mustang, despite Bugatti introducing the "emperors new clothes" edition every other month, along with Lamborghini and Porsche doing the same and getting a pass on it.
6/21/13, 01:06 PM
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Ditto...I don't think there could be too many. Let them make a GT350, Cobra, Mach 1, Bullitt, SVO, Base, GT, California Special, BOSS, or whatever else they want all in the same year. As long as they make mine! I just a low content, track-ready beast. Yeah, I'd take 600hp, but I don't want forced induction for my track car.
6/21/13, 02:20 PM
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NA? that's a tall order, that would just a tad south of what the 458 Italia is making hp/l. Not that Ford couldn't do it but making a 600hp NA motor affordable is the trick. 500hp-520hp is probably more feasible.
I wouldn't complain about being pleasantly surprised with a 600hp NA V8 though especially if Ford meets its professed weight targets for the next Mustang.
I wouldn't complain about being pleasantly surprised with a 600hp NA V8 though especially if Ford meets its professed weight targets for the next Mustang.
I could see 500hp being reasonably done out of the 5.0, or perhaps a bit larger if rumor is correct. That would be 1hp/l, which, while a healthy output, is hardly cutting edge any more. Shoot, my 12y.o. M3 is pushing a bit over that and its over decade old. Interestingly, the current 5.0, particularly in Boss trim, now has many of the then leading edge engineering power tricks the M3's S54 motor did back in the day.
Given all the GT350 and Mach I rumors, the one thing that starts to come to mind is the lack of future GT500 rumors. It seems assumed that there will be one, but is that mere speculative presumption, devoid of actual corroborating rumors? I would figure an Egoboost twin turbo 5.0 with north of 600hp, but is there anything backing this up? Or have I missed something?
6/21/13, 02:25 PM
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In my opinion, car companies should spend all their time figuring out how to make cars lighter, not more powerful, high-tech engines. Weight is everything. Hopefully Ford gets good results with the Mustang and not merely by making it smaller...I'm 6'2", 220lbs!
I think there's a solid shot at having a twin turbo 5.0, and could easily make north of 600HP. Ford Racing did that engine for SEMA, so they didn't build that for nothing, in my opinon. Ecoboost is their big think now, so they gotta promote it. My opinion doesn't back anything up though. Time will tell and it'll be soon.
I think there's a solid shot at having a twin turbo 5.0, and could easily make north of 600HP. Ford Racing did that engine for SEMA, so they didn't build that for nothing, in my opinon. Ecoboost is their big think now, so they gotta promote it. My opinion doesn't back anything up though. Time will tell and it'll be soon.
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6/21/13, 02:39 PM
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Given all the GT350 and Mch I rumors, the one thing that starts to come to mind is the lack of future GT500 rumors. It seems assumed that there will be one, but is that mere speculative presumption, devoid of actual corroborating rumors? I would figure an Egoboost twin turbo 5.0 with north of 600hp, but is there anything backing this up? Or have I missed something?
My original assumption was that the GT500 would become Shelby's post-title offering, just as the current GT350 is now, so effectively the two would swap places.
However, an alternative theory put forward by The Pill, is that the GT350 is Ford Racing's baby..........the GT500 will be SVT's. Two divisions, two budgets......and that fits along the lines of the team (Team Mustang?) that put the Boss 302 on the road, and SVT who did the current GT500.
It's a good theory. Time will tell.
6/21/13, 04:59 PM
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I highly doubt you'll see the name SHELBY from anything other than SVT or SHELBY AMERICAN itself.
In the same way that:
SE's will come from Team Mustang
Cobra/Shelby will come from SVT
In the same way that:
SE's will come from Team Mustang
Cobra/Shelby will come from SVT
6/21/13, 10:45 PM
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About as useful as **** on a bull, on a modern fuel injected car. Indeed, the awkward plumbing required to make a shaker scoop work at all probably saps most of its intended (supposedly) function whereas a cold air system tailored for a fuel injected car would reap much more actual performance.
6/21/13, 11:07 PM
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Given all the GT350 and Mach I rumors, the one thing that starts to come to mind is the lack of future GT500 rumors. It seems assumed that there will be one, but is that mere speculative presumption, devoid of actual corroborating rumors? I would figure an Egoboost twin turbo 5.0 with north of 600hp, but is there anything backing this up? Or have I missed something?
its also possible that Mach 1 replaces the Cobra Jet, which opens up the Cobra name for other uses.
EDIT: part of my post got cut off last night for some reason (probably Comcast), restored.
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6/22/13, 03:59 AM
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6/22/13, 02:00 PM
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The Mach 1 has always been pretty much a factory drag pack car. Little bigger motor. Solid axle. Weekend drag racer car. The GT350 would be a road racer. That's if they try and keep the purity of the name plate.