WTF Steeda CAI !!!
7/25/10, 01:34 PM
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OMG. Put the silly thing on, drive it like a normal person to the dealership, let them put the tune in and whatever else they are going to do, and call it a day.
There is NO WAY the CAI is going to cause any damage without a tune so long as you don't ceaselessly beat on the car. In fact, I doubt it would lean it out enough to do any damage regardless, but I digress.
Put it on tonite, go to the dealership tomorrow. Easy.
There is NO WAY the CAI is going to cause any damage without a tune so long as you don't ceaselessly beat on the car. In fact, I doubt it would lean it out enough to do any damage regardless, but I digress.
Put it on tonite, go to the dealership tomorrow. Easy.
to the OP this is not a surprise, I don't see the big deal, go to the dealer and install it there, I don't even know why the dealer is involved and why they have your tuner.
7/25/10, 02:55 PM
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Yeah just drive it. What does Steeda know.
I mean as long as its not too far to the dealer, a lean condition would probably only burn a little bit of your new $35,000 5.0 hypereutectic pistons. Probably not all the way through though...
I mean as long as its not too far to the dealer, a lean condition would probably only burn a little bit of your new $35,000 5.0 hypereutectic pistons. Probably not all the way through though...
7/25/10, 03:17 PM
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Just got up this morning and had scheduled to install my CAI from Steeda, unpacked everything and proceeded with installation instructions. WTF, here is the first note i read:
**** note****
This kit is only to used on cars that have been tuned. Using this kit without a tune can cause SERIOUS damage to your engine. Steeda will not be held liable for use without a tune.
Thing is i have the Steeda tune ready at the dealership and wanted to drive there with CAI already pre-installed so all they would have to do is just download it into the car's ECU.
So what's up with someone that just want to have a CAI alone ! Has anyone just installed the CAI alone ?
Sucks let me tell ya', i don't have much time on my hands to go to the delaership and wait all the time on things to be done.
**** note****
This kit is only to used on cars that have been tuned. Using this kit without a tune can cause SERIOUS damage to your engine. Steeda will not be held liable for use without a tune.
Thing is i have the Steeda tune ready at the dealership and wanted to drive there with CAI already pre-installed so all they would have to do is just download it into the car's ECU.
So what's up with someone that just want to have a CAI alone ! Has anyone just installed the CAI alone ?
Sucks let me tell ya', i don't have much time on my hands to go to the delaership and wait all the time on things to be done.
Correct me if Im wrong, but dont most if not all CAI's require a tune? Steeda comes with the predator and JLT with the SCT. I know they sell 2 kits... the one with tune and the one without, SO looks like you'd have to go get your car tuned at a shop or return it and buy the more expensive kit.
7/25/10, 03:18 PM
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In all do seriousness... I would return the kit and buy the kit that comes with the predator tune or take the kit you have now and have it installed by a shop that knows what they are doing and have them tune it on their CMR...
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7/25/10, 03:30 PM
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7/25/10, 03:35 PM
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Sorry - I just don't buy it....but what do I know?
7/25/10, 03:47 PM
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Think of a lean condition as a TORCH and detonation as a JACK HAMMER.
...then again Bob, you probably know that. So what's with the engine pic? Do they make you tear down after a race to prove it was stock?
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7/25/10, 06:35 PM
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The engine is not going to go THAT lean with just a better flowing intake tube - and certainly not from driving like a normal person....even more certainly on a one-way trip of a few miles.
Steeda likely puts that warning in there to protect themselves from lawsuits from those that do really stupid things. And I bet its happened before.
That pic was taken after the NMRA race in Kansas City back in June of 2010. I won, and had one a couple of others, and NMRA wanted to make sure I was legal. So they did. LOL. Al Papitto and I pulled the motor out, and disassembled it enough to get a piston out of the block in less than an hour and a half.
Reassembly took just every so slightly longer.
Bob
Steeda likely puts that warning in there to protect themselves from lawsuits from those that do really stupid things. And I bet its happened before.
That pic was taken after the NMRA race in Kansas City back in June of 2010. I won, and had one a couple of others, and NMRA wanted to make sure I was legal. So they did. LOL. Al Papitto and I pulled the motor out, and disassembled it enough to get a piston out of the block in less than an hour and a half.
Reassembly took just every so slightly longer.
Bob
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7/25/10, 07:10 PM
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That pic was taken after the NMRA race in Kansas City back in June of 2010. I won, and had one a couple of others, and NMRA wanted to make sure I was legal. So they did. LOL. Al Papitto and I pulled the motor out, and disassembled it enough to get a piston out of the block in less than an hour and a half.
Dang beer!
The engine is not going to go THAT lean with just a better flowing intake tube - and certainly not from driving like a normal person....even more certainly on a one-way trip of a few miles.
Steeda likely puts that warning in there to protect themselves from lawsuits from those that do really stupid things. And I bet its happened before.
Steeda likely puts that warning in there to protect themselves from lawsuits from those that do really stupid things. And I bet its happened before.
Or the A/F mixture is not that diff with a FRPP style CAI vs closed airbox?
Or the ECU has the ability to compensate enough?
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7/25/10, 08:33 PM
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And jeezum did my grammar suck in the last post ('one' instead of 'won"....'every' instead of 'ever'). Guess that's what I get for being in a hurry....
7/26/10, 10:54 AM
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I haven't been following the exact details of the CAI's, but I assume that this CAI keeps the stock MAF correct? If so, then I can't imagine the unit causing *any* damage for normal driving. Even with a larger surface area filter, the MAF should be able to correctly meter the air. You shouldn't have to worry about anything unless you're running in open loop.
7/26/10, 11:03 AM
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hypereutectic pistons are plenty strong. seen them survive 700rwhp. what they cannot stand, is too much mild detonation or a biggie. certainly a 95mm MAF steeda is going to throw a code. it will read bank 1 lean, bank 2 lean, but it wont kill the motor. it should run ok after a few minutes of STFT adjustmants.
blow up? you forget the active spark timing. these engine read right on the edge of detonation full time regardless of a/f. squirters will keep the pistons cool during lean cycles. long enough to run fine. and BTW Bob is right on when he says you can unplug it and run. the PCM defaults to speed density and has no idea what volume of airflow there is. it will also run well enough.
blow up? you forget the active spark timing. these engine read right on the edge of detonation full time regardless of a/f. squirters will keep the pistons cool during lean cycles. long enough to run fine. and BTW Bob is right on when he says you can unplug it and run. the PCM defaults to speed density and has no idea what volume of airflow there is. it will also run well enough.
7/26/10, 09:11 PM
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Just finished installing the CAI tonight. I'm dead tired. Tomorrow i'll download the tune. I have three tunes available, with 87-91-93 octane, and yes it gets rid of the skip shift and some other stuff as well. Stay tuned.
7/27/10, 07:19 PM
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The engine is not going to go THAT lean with just a better flowing intake tube - and certainly not from driving like a normal person....even more certainly on a one-way trip of a few miles.
Steeda likely puts that warning in there to protect themselves from lawsuits from those that do really stupid things. And I bet its happened before.
Bob
Steeda likely puts that warning in there to protect themselves from lawsuits from those that do really stupid things. And I bet its happened before.
Bob
Bad idea.
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I can't believe how many people actually think that it would be possible to hurt a motor with an aftermarket CAI, no tune, and driving it easy.
There is no way on this Earth that it would damage the motor just so long as the driver took it very easy on the car while driving it to the dealership. If he drove ***** to the wall could the motor be hurt? Absolutely yes. But driving it like a grandma would be fine in a short spurt.
There is no way on this Earth that it would damage the motor just so long as the driver took it very easy on the car while driving it to the dealership. If he drove ***** to the wall could the motor be hurt? Absolutely yes. But driving it like a grandma would be fine in a short spurt.