Hey All, I'm new to the forum. I just got my Stage II Procharger Kit in. I'll start the install tomorrow and will finish up NLT Saturday (I'm waiting for my injectors and new spark-plugs, which get here on Saturday.

So these are my first impression after opening the box. The kit comes in a extremely well packed box with plenty of protection so thumbs up to pro charger for that. The box is over 100 shipping weight. I know some people have said that the Procharger system is most likely lighter than a twin screw set up. Having installed Whipple systems on other cars I'll have to say they are probably within 10-15 lbs of each other. The main reason for this is the heavy piping used for the intercooler. I don't have a scale but I guesstimate they are about 5 pds each, so that's a total of 20 pounds. The turbo system I had on my Evo used aluminum pipes and they were much lighter. It would have been nice if they would have utilized some lighter metal for these pipes.

The intercooler is very thick and fairly tall, I'm still wondering how it's suppose to fit . I'm disappointing in lack of care to keep the intercooler clean. The one I have almost looks like it was installed on a vehicle and then removed. It's dirty has some paint scuffs on it, and the inside of the tanks are covered in dust, which means dust will be going into my engine. I'm most likely try to spray the thing out and then let it dry before i put it on.

Here is the most disappointing part about the actual centri charger. The casting has not been cleaned up from the factory. I looked at the outlet hole to find "metal shavings just sitting there." I then proceeded to use my finger nails to scratch off several more casting shavings from the outlet side. If anyone had just thrown this supercharger on those shavings would have either been stuck in the intercooler or found their way into the engine! It could also be the culprit of the "bad seals" in these units everyone has been having. Additionally, the outlet is very rough from the casting and needs to be smooth/polished up. This is something Procharger needs to check on their quality control. They just need to clean the casting edges up before they put the charger together. I will be cleaning it up myself now.

I'm not hating on Procharger, I just think they need to improve quality control, so units don't go out that will additional prepping from the user/installer.

Overall though, this product is very nice. All the sections come individually bagged: intercooler parts and clamps are all together, mounting bolts are with the the mounting plate, etc... This makes finding things very easy.


Ok, so this install is going to be very interesting. I grew up with in a family whose passion is cars. We had our own car shop with a lift and pit, and virtually every tool ever needed for car modding/maintenance. I've been in the military for 2.5 years now, and I'm living in Florida and I have no tools whatsoever! So I've made my tool list and I'm heading to the tool store in the morning to pick everything up. Hopefully, I won't have to make too many trips back. I'm be installing it inside my carport at my condo. I think this is good because a lot of moders are in the same situation I am. I'll let you know how smoothly it goes in these conditions. I'll also be updating with pictures of the install.

For now here are some pictures I took.


metal shavings above





Let me know, if there are specific items you want to see from this kit. I know some people interested in the kit may want to see certain parts. I know I did.

UPDATE!

P1SC Stage II Install Pointers and Review


Product purchased

Evolution 675 HP KIT comes with Ford Racing 47lb injectors and NGK Spark plugs “1 Heat Range Colder.” 7psi pulley, 91 octane tune, helical gears for sound reduction.

Link: to product: http://www.evoperform.com/shop/index...oducts_id=1105

Total finished Cost: 5,900 for supercharger
+250 for Jon Lund Dyno Tune
+160 for 2 hours on the Dyno
6310 for total completed product
+100 dollars in Wall-Mart tools
6410 installed and completed.

Total install time for this mechanic about 15 hours in a car port. Could probably install it in about 4-6 hours now that I’ve done it once.

Unpleasant surprises:

The “tuning from Evolution performance” is a get the car to your tuner tune only.

Removing Procharger pulley will “void the warranty,” which makes installation a *****. This was never mentioned or shown on Procharger’s website.




Excessive casting flakes in the superchargers inlet, which had to be removed and smoothed out, otherwise they would have gone into my engine!

Fitment issues with intercooler mounts

Extremely loud cooling fan

Higher than normal idle which can be fixed with tuning.

Spark plugs had to be spaced, which is easy, but I figured a custom kit like this would be completely prepared and ready to install.

PROS

Extremely smooth and quiet supercharger while cruising and under WOT pulls.

Much more torque than expected even at lower RPM’s. Rips tires loose at any rpm in 1st and 2nd and chirps them in high rpm’s in third.

Cool intake temperatures while under WOT and moving.

Highway mileage is surprisingly better than stock

7psi pulley put out 9.5 PSI


Cons:

Very loud while at idle because the fan immediately goes to max after about 10 seconds at idle despite low coolant temperatures. I think that maybe hot IAT must trigger the fan to help keep the intercooler cool. Idles at 1000 rpm but can be lowered by tuner.



Hot IAT at idle. I’ve seen 130 degrees so far in 55 degree weather. This is mainly due to where Procharger’s air inlet is located. However once you get moving IAT cool right down to ambient.

Despite having 550 WHP, I’m pretty sure my stock 2006 z06 (sold it) with about 420 rwhp would destroy this mustang in a race, my goal was to have a DD vehicle that was as fast as my z06. I need to just find one and get them to do some pulls to see the outcome. I’ll get back to you when this happens.





In town mileage is not surprisingly much worse than stock, just can’t keep my foot out of it!


Installation Difficulties.

It’s paramount that you follow the instructions and don’t try to outthink them. I did this in two locations when mounting the supercharger.

1. Mount the supercharger to the mounting bracket before mounting the bracket to the block. You have to do this because the fitment for the supercharger is too tight between the valve covers and the mounting bracket. It would be possible if you could remove the pulley; however because you can’t remove the pulley, you have to painstakingly mount the supercharger to the bracket first. This makes getting the bracket lined up to mount very difficult and will require two people.

2. Put the rubber IC hose on the supercharger before you mount the supercharger and bracket to the vehicle. Otherwise you’re going to have to pull the bracket with the supercharger back off the car. The outlet on the supercharger is directly against the valve cover, if you don’t have the hose premounted, you will not be able to fit the hose onto the supercharger outlet.





Make sure you understand and mount the Procharger crank pulley correct. It is very easy to mount the pulley wrong with its provided cam locks. The instructions are extremely vague on this most important detail. It mentions that the pulley should have “minimal play.” When in reality there is actually quite a bit of side-to-side play. I thought that it was too much play and somehow found a position where there was zero play. When I first cranked over the motor, I threw the belt. I knew immediately that the pulley was the problem. I rechecked it as saw that it was not flush against the stock crank pulley. I had to remove the IC piping and fan shroud in order to remount it correctly. The best advice I can give regarding this part is to make sure the pulley is parallel and flat against the factory crank pulley, and has about an 1/8 of a turn of play.










As you can see in this next photo. The pulley is not flush and angles slightly up. I thought this was odd but thought "hey it doesn't have any play."






The intercooler mounting brackets were to narrow for the mounting holes. I had to grind down the bracket so I could get the bolts in.





You have to bend a coolant tube to make room for the bolt and spacer for the supercharger bracket. I can see this being a potential issue if it were to crack or break when bending it. The manual says “might require slight bending” when in reality YOU WILL have to bend it and much more than slightly.







Here is the bracket and supercharger installed.




I read a write up for the procharger and it said, you have to cut the OEM fan connectors to get them to hook up with the aftermarket fan. This is not so. You just have to remove the connector from the Procharger fan and slide the connectors into the OEM connector and then use electrical tape to get them to stay in place.


The connectors removed from Procharger connector



The connectors in the OEM connector





And tape and install!




Front Fascia: “may require minor trimming” is a complete understatement. You have to cut the **** out of it. You have to cut the 30% of the fascia, 50% of the front air deflector, and 40% of the plastic undercarriage tray. If you want it to look great. Make sure you have all the right tools. I had a hacksaw and a really sharp butter knife. It will pass at 5 feet, but looks like **** close up. I am planning on getting a new aftermarket fascia, so I didn’t put a lot of effort in making it perfect.



(pictures to come)

With the 7 PSI pulley there is a bolt that is very difficult to tighten. If you could remove the pulley, then it would be not problem. I only was able to tighten the bolt finger tight and the use a screw driver to get it little bit more tight. Shame on Procharger for placing this bolt under the pulley, and then not allowing customers to remove the pulley.






Here is an install that Muscle Mustang did of the HO system to complement some of the pictures I’ve taken.

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...all/index.html




Additional Pictures


Massive IC




Just about to go on




2,000 dollars of plastic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyKHoRoPDWA&context=C397f012ADOEgsToPDskJ8 lPw-1kcueheCQ3umTWnu

 

Looks like a cool project. I've never been a fan of procharger but they do a descent job. Their big selling point is the intercooler but I'm not sure if there is really much advantage. But it can't hurt. Regardless it's gonna be a blast once it's installed. Does the kit come with a tuner or will you have to get it tuned on your own?

 

I got it through Evolution Performance. It is the 675 HP kit, so it comes with tune from them and discounted Jon Lund email tune for fine tuning. I went this route because the tuner kit + buying injectors would have been more than the evolution package, and then I would of had to have a shop tune it, which would have been almost 400 dollars extra. I don't really like "dyno" tunes cause its really not a real world environment; however, it's nice to see your HP numbers I guess. The email Lund tune I think is best in my case because all datlog pulls will be actually be on the road/ track. I'm going for a very conservative tune too. Only 7 psi and hoping for about 530 rwhp.

 

Finally someone is doing what I have been waiting for on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please keep us up to date with your progress/photos awesome! This is going to be my winter project too.

 

Awesome! This is the route I've been wanting to go to. Sub'd

 

Update! Ok so I worked on it for about 4.5 hours today. I was able to get everything done except the inter cooler and piping mounted up. Everything went really smooth and was easy until the mounting the supercharger onto the car. Things are very tight. I tried mounting the metal plate on without the supercharger (which the manual said no to do) because I thought it would be easier, and it would have been if you could take the pulley off the supercharger; however, they have a tamper proof cover over the pulley bolt (so you don't change it out for more boost) and because of that YOU HAVE TO MOUNT THE CHARGER ON THE PLATE and then to the car, which makes things very awkward and difficult to do. I had to have friend help while I got the bolts in. Another thing is because you can't take the pulley off (or the warranty is void) its extremely hard to mount one of the hex bolts to the supercharger. I'll have some photos of that when I get more time to upload them. Also, the belt was extremely tight, which makes me think it was suppose to be for a supercharger with a smaller pulley, but I muscled it on after taking the idle pulley off and loosening the tensioner all the way, and this was still a chore! Mounting the add-on balance weight was very simple. I thought that would be the most difficult part for sure.

It actually went a lot faster than I thought. I really thought it was going to take me 10-12 hours total. But I'm pretty sure I'll have it done in about another 3 hours. I'm pretty excited though!

 

So you're going to have it done in 1 day? That's awesome!

 

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I have the same kit on mine. I upgraded to the d1 head unit though wit a 4.63 pulley. Just an FYI though, I'd still recommend dyno tuning it. Lund will remote data log and tune for 350. Then you'll have to set it up between him and the shop of your choice and the shop will charge about $100 an hour for use of dyno. His tunes are pretty close though so it shouldn't take much more than an hour. Engines are all different though so that's the only real way to get the tune dead on which is pretty important. Also, what pulley you using cause I have a feeling you'll be well over 530 to the wheels.

 

Ok, today was very slow... but it's installed but not complete... Major fitment issues because pro chargers intercooler bracket had been cut out wrong and was off. Also, turns out I didn't understand how the supercharger balancer was suppose to go on, so the first engine crank was almost catastrophic.

I finally got that messed fixed. But then I spent the last 3 hours trying to find a boost leak to no success--that is unless the engine is suppose to run at 1000 rpm continually. The car builds boost but does not idle right. Also, the instructions say to mount the MAF sensor with the arrow pointing towards the ground and towards the passenger side, but ti won't fit in the intercooler any other way. I really think this is my problem. Does anyone have any suggestions on what is wrong? I checked every connections and vacuum house and nothing seems wrong. It's got to be the MAF censor.

Another question, shouldn't the vehicle run/idle (no driving though) on the stock tune despite the supercharger? I say this because on my tune from EVolution the car idles roughley at 1000 rpm, but when i run it on the stock tune it starts and the dies. To me these are both systems of a vacuum leak, but wouldn't they do the same thing at idle?

 

I would think not having the correct tune on it would cause the issues your describing. Did you get an email tune with it? I thought the kits came with one?

 

Come to think of it, your evolution tune is set for a cai which adjusts the ecu for the air flow. Which probably explains why it will idle rough with it and not at all on stock tune. Just an idea..

 

Don't worry, that's exactly how mine idled too. It's just something in jons tune.

 

Yeah, after being thoroughly convinced that it didn't have a boost leak. I took it out for a drive.I never hit it WOT or went over 6000 rpm, but you can tell there is a a lot more power, I mean alot! However; I wish I would have gotten the 7.5 pulley so it builds boost quicker. Boost kicks in about ~3000 rpms. I love how its a smooth transfer though. With the whipple's i've had when you put it under load and the car launches forward. The car is freaking loud at idle though. mainly due to the air surge release and the electric fan. I'm surprised how much more air the aftermarket fan pulls in. You can feel it standing near front of the grill.

 

So I did some data logging, and the desired engine idle is set to 768. The car jump from from 968 to 1050. I still think there is something wrong with the tune or I've got a leak. Black 5.0 is that how your ran? or was it just rough?

 

No, that's exactly how it ran. I had a shop put mine on too. Not saying there couldn't have been a leak but sounds more like our tune. Had a problem with mine so tuning isn't complete yet but I'd just shoot jon an email and ask him about it.

 

Ok so I took propane to the car looking for any kind of leak, PVC, throttle body, injectors, brake boost like, intercooler piping, maf sensor, etc... i found nothing. So i guess that's just how she runs. I'm getting a remote tune by Jon Lund on Wednesday on a dynojet (just found one in the area!) So hopefully that sorts out the problems. Black 5.0 what kind of problem did you have?

All I'll post pictures of the install once I get everything complete. I'd say the install has taken about 15 hours of my time, which is way more than I expected, but I didn't follow the instructions scrupulously (I thought I had a better idea) and I ended up having to redo a lot of things. The biggest one was not mounting the supercharger before mounting the plate to the engine. It would have worked fine if I could have removed the pulley, but the tamper proof pulley cover kept me from doing that!

 

Is the maf on the passenger side like it supose to be ? Saw on another forum a guy was have the same problem as you, high idle and bouncing around. Turns out he installed the intercooler backwards and had the maf on the drivers side

 

Any updates on this system?

 

^^he must be out having too much fun with it.