Pete, you can't catch a break today. ;)

I know..tough crowd...
I pull a number outta my *** just cause, and people calculate it as if were a truth or something.
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Keeping the diesel option a secret eh? :jester:

I don't think Ford is touting the 3.7L V6 as anything "revolutionary;" their PR team is just doing its job, talking up their product. What did you expect them to do? And, really, does it matter that Ford is a bit late to the party with their "current" V6 offering? Just be happy they're offering it at all.

That doesn't make any sense, to me at least. I see Ford offering a 300+ horsepower V6 (which they are), a 400+ horsepower GT and, of course, the 540+ horsepower Shelby GT500.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:nice:

I think Ford is simply touting the new 3.7L as class leading, and it is very arguably exactly that for the moment.

I'd say the Camaro is equal to it. The Camaro has a smaller engine yet makes virtually the same power and suffers a 1MPG loss with 350 lbs more weight.

So, they have superior Horsepower, Torque, and (projected) EPA numbers in the 3.7 (and in a lighter, less expensive vehicle) but that's still a dollar short? News for you, Bucko, GM's 300+hp LLT didn't bow until the 2008 model year. In a low-volume car, the CTS. The LY7, and the FWD LLTs were/are below 300hp, and LLT came out a year after the Cyclone. Also find it kinda hilarious that you're arguing Ford is playing technological catch-up, given the EcoBoost line, the Scorpion Diesel, and GM's continued infatuation with pushrod motors.

Might be some bias showing through here, but given the fact that the Ford seems to have an appreciably if not hugely fatter and flatter power curve and manages that and slightly superior fuel economy without DI I think the Ford has a case. Still, it's more than close enough to debate.

Nothing wrong with pushrods. I think the ZR-1, Z06, CTS-V, C6, C6GS, and anything else with an LS series engine are doing just fine.

Is the 3.7 with 30MPG highway less expensive than the Camaro? Source? The 6 speed transmission is an option, not standard.

What does this say for the Camaro SS? Considering the 4.6 runs quite admirably with their 6.2, I don't think the latest versions of the 4.6 is that bad. If you're talking about a '96 2v motor, yea, they were bad but they've come a long way from that.

Just keep in mind, GM has made some pretty "pittiful" engines as well. The 305 and 5.3 jump right out at me.

It does? The 4.6 gets killed by the 6.2. The 6.2 is more in line with a GT500 than a GT. I've seen SS's run 12.9 showroom stock including tires. A 2010 GT can't get anywhere near that and weighs 350 lbs less. Point is, the 4.6 sucks.

I would assume he is comparing to the imports. For example, Nissan's 3.7 VQ puts out 332hp in the Z.

I must say I'm a little surprised to not see any mention of a SelectShift function for this new 6-speed auto.

I don't think the 6 speed transmission is optional. The only option is whether it is an auto or manual, that is why it says "available 6 speed transmission" on the release provided by Ford. It would be dumb to have 4 different transmission options, just not cost effective. It would be cheaper for Ford to have 2 transmissions, and they are trying to make a big deal about efficiency and have stated that their entire lineup would have 6 speeds top to bottom within the coming few years.
Correct me if I am wrong, though.

The 6-speed manual is standard, the 6-speed auto is optional.

Power to weight is very important but its not everything. A new E92 M3 has similar power to weight ratios and it runs mid 12s in the 1/4 mile while the Camaro runs high 12's to low 13s. A lot of it is the ability to put the power to the ground and gearing. The Mustang with its higher revving powerplant ala 4V per cylinder I feel should out run the Camaro...we will see shortly.

Dave

Yes on premium 91 octane. The 305 rating from my understanding is on pump 87 for the Mustang. Also the Z's 3.7 revs to 7300 rpm although it sounds ragged at this rpm.

Dave

Boomer alluded to it earlier but it is worth repeating IMO, what I really appreciate about Ford's new approach to engines is the focus on driveability and usable power. Peak power numbers are great, but look at the points in the power band where the 3.7L makes peak torque and horspower, and we begin to see a clear picture of a very flexible powerband. That is a sign of a great engine, and one of the ingredients in a great performance car.