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How much does Traction Control and Advance Track have on launch off the line?

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Old 1/24/12, 01:50 PM
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haha hey, I don't blame you for not believing it

but its a bunch of guys who would rather be driving luxury full size sedans than civics and they arn't expensive to get or mod!

and of course it's the same engine as the 350z so a lot of the mods trickle down
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Hahaha you're very funny man, a 13 second Altima with bolt-ons. Is that bolt on a turbo? I needed a good laugh. Thanx man
Probably will run 13s with bolt-ons. Road & Track shows 0-60 in 5.7 and 1/4 in 14.2 @ 101 for the '08 model.
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Nissan builds good equipment. The only problems I had were the shifter that felt more like a spoon in a bowl of grits and the lack of front-end power. I got SCHOOLED three days after I got my Z by some little twit who was probably born with a pneumatic wrench in his frickin' hand. Otherwise, very nice mid-level sports car. And yes, judging by the modded Z's around, there is a heck of an aftermarket for nissans.
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You need to practice shifting OR get an automatic. The 2012 Nissan Altima 3.5 SR does 0-60 in 6.5 and 1/4 mile in ~ 14.9 s @ 100 mph. I know you said 2011, but just using the 12 as an example. It's not like the 11 will be any faster... Your car should trap low 13s @ ~109+. Worlds different. Even with a tune/cai on the altima, you're probably only talking low-mid 14s ( if that ). The VQ is not known for being bolt on friendly.
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For a RWD 5.0l V8 to get beaten by a FWD 3.5l V6 is just sad sad sad.

Stop flooring it and dumping the clutch on the launch.
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Originally Posted by djclark
You need to practice shifting OR get an automatic. The 2012 Nissan Altima 3.5 SR does 0-60 in 6.5 and 1/4 mile in ~ 14.9 s @ 100 mph. I know you said 2011, but just using the 12 as an example. It's not like the 11 will be any faster... Your car should trap low 13s @ ~109+. Worlds different. Even with a tune/cai on the altima, you're probably only talking low-mid 14s ( if that ). The VQ is not known for being bolt on friendly.
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Yes, the TC will KILL your power if you get a lot of wheel spin. We had about an inch of snow on the ground the other day, so I took the Mustang out to "test" the new snow tires... The TC felt like an anchor being thrown out the back when I tried to break it loose!
Right. I drove down to the boat docks the other day and it drops down a pretty steep hill. There was an inch or two of slushy snow. In my winter car which is FWD with studs. Coming back up the hill I almost got stuck because the TC was applying the brake and it was killing my momentum. I had forgot to turn it off.

I think its fine if you're driving down the highway and not really paying close attention to the slick road or don't expect icy spots. But for anything else it often applies the brake right when you need to keep your momentum going. In snow, momentum is everything!

And of course in a drag race, no go.

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Originally Posted by djclark
You need to practice shifting OR get an automatic. The 2012 Nissan Altima 3.5 SR does 0-60 in 6.5 and 1/4 mile in ~ 14.9 s @ 100 mph. I know you said 2011, but just using the 12 as an example. It's not like the 11 will be any faster... Your car should trap low 13s @ ~109+. Worlds different. Even with a tune/cai on the altima, you're probably only talking low-mid 14s ( if that ). The VQ is not known for being bolt on friendly.

That's a hell of a lot slower than the '08 for some reason, Road & Track shows 0-60 in 5.7 and 1/4 in 14.2 @ 101 for it.
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Originally Posted by djclark
You need to practice shifting OR get an automatic. The 2012 Nissan Altima 3.5 SR does 0-60 in 6.5 and 1/4 mile in ~ 14.9 s @ 100 mph. I know you said 2011, but just using the 12 as an example. It's not like the 11 will be any faster... Your car should trap low 13s @ ~109+. Worlds different. Even with a tune/cai on the altima, you're probably only talking low-mid 14s ( if that ). The VQ is not known for being bolt on friendly.
The 3.5s are a little bit quicker than 14.9 from what I've seen (lower 14s). And in my experience (370Z) the VQ is pretty bolt on friendly. It's not a high displacement V8 but the 3.7s do just about what the 4.6 Mustangs do in terms of power with bolt-ons. Start at around 275 whp and finish at around 330-340 whp with "the usual" bolt ons. The VQ35s are generally somewhat similar.

And the 5.0 should very well be capable of a high 12 second 110+ pass stock.

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Originally Posted by Rather B.Blown
That's a hell of a lot slower than the '08 for some reason, Road & Track shows 0-60 in 5.7 and 1/4 in 14.2 @ 101 for it.
Yeah, that's more like the norm with a good driver. Unfortunately a 14.2 is enough to snooker a 5.0 driver that screws up.
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Originally Posted by hawkeye18
For a RWD 5.0l V8 to get beaten by a FWD 3.5l V6 is just sad sad sad.

Stop flooring it and dumping the clutch on the launch.
This is what I was thinking the OP must be doing too.

To the OP, if you're launching this car correctly and on street tires, it should scare the crap out of you. Even in my v6, I can't drive my car to its full potential because of traction issues. So basically, if you aren't worried about spinning out in 2nd and 3rd gear, then you ain't driving it right.
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Oh to add something else for the OP. If you have traction control on, you'll know when you launch the car correctly because the traction control will immediately kick on and "stall" your launch. If you're not seeing it kick on, but you have it activated, then you aren't really launching the car correctly. I have to shut mine completely off because it will kill my launch every time. It will even activate when shifting from 2nd to 3rd too.
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If you are afraid of spinning out in a straight line you shouldn't even be driving a powerful car.
Old 1/24/12, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang
If you are afraid of spinning out in a straight line you shouldn't even be driving a powerful car.
I'm not "afraid" of spinning out because I'm "afraid" of a powerful car. I'm afraid because I DO spin out on street tires because they have traction issues. I would argue that if you can't spin out on street tires then you don't know how to drive a powerful car!!
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Ok let me just say this. I beat a 2011 370z with a cai when I had my 2010 which at the time had longtubes, o/r x , cai, bama race tune, 4.10s, steeda ud pullies, and 285 nittos and I wrecked the 370z by about 2 car lengths.

Keep in mind my 2010 was probably on pushing approx 310rwhp with that setup
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Originally Posted by db2797

I'm not "afraid" of spinning out because I'm "afraid" of a powerful car. I'm afraid because I DO spin out on street tires because they have traction issues. I would argue that if you can't spin out on street tires then you don't know how to drive a powerful car!!
Spinning out and spinning the tires are two different things. So you can understand why I replied like I did.
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Originally Posted by grabber blue gt
Ok let me just say this. I beat a 2011 370z with a cai when I had my 2010 which at the time had longtubes, o/r x , cai, bama race tune, 4.10s, steeda ud pullies, and 285 nittos and I wrecked the 370z by about 2 car lengths.

Keep in mind my 2010 was probably on pushing approx 310rwhp with that setup
Totally possible. Its a driver's race most of the time. On average the 6mt 370s run mid 13s stock, however the automatics have broken 12s bone stock. A friend of mine went 12.98 at almost 108 with his. On the other side I've seen guys with the manual struggle to run high 13s.

The fastest full bolt-on 370 I know of is a manual car that's run 12.2x @ 114.

In the right hands they are pretty quick.
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What shifting pointers would you guys have? Launch RPMs etc? Teh car has the 3:31 gears
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Originally Posted by Grifftech
What shifting pointers would you guys have? Launch RPMs etc? Teh car has the 3:31 gears
I've had luck(in a bone stock '12 GT) with revving to about 2500 rpm, and as you ('slowly' and smooothly) let out the clutch, dig into the throttle a lot more and feather the clutch a bit. it's really kind of hard to explain, and a lot easier to just do. if you find that you're bogging down off the line, you dont have enough revs, if you spin out, you're either using too many revs or letting the clutch out too abrubtly.

as for the shifts, I rev to a couple hundred RPM shy of redline, then let off the gas, clutch-in, neutral, clutch out clutch in, upshift, clutch out gas. For maximum destruction, WOT to redline, clutch in, bang into into next gear, clutch out, all the while with the gas pedal to the floorboard. Exception:2-3 shift. For some reason, if I try to do the power shift, I'm blocked out of 3rd every time.

Disclaimer: power-shifting, or slipping the clutch to launch from WOT, is probably not good for the engine/trans/clutch. Do so at your own risk, as no one(either here or from Ford) told you to do so.

However, if you so choose, you can get a WOT box or a 2-step rev limiter to help with power shifting or WOT launching. the chevy Cobalt SS has a feature they call "no-lift shift," Upshifting from within a couple hundred RPMs of redline, you can hold the gas pedal to the floor, and then clutch and upshift. the ECU(or w/e else you want to call it) will hold the throttle body open, and will cut spark to maintain RPMs. This way you dont lose boost while shifting. Truth be told, when I test drove one a couple years back, I didnt even notice the feature was there at all, it's not very obvious that it does anything.

remember, fast is smooth, and smooth is fast.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang
Spinning out and spinning the tires are two different things. So you can understand why I replied like I did.
Gotcha...sorry yes I really meant spinning the tires and fishtailing a bit, not completely spinning out of control. I've never spun my car completely out of control. But I also know that I can't power shift in it the way I want with the stock street tires. Hence that's I meant by my comment. When you drive these cars to its 100% potential on the street (stock) tires, there's no question you're maximizing it because you'll have one hell of a ride with traction issues.


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