What about GT 460? Discussion on an "appropriate"
6/22/05, 04:52 PM
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A lot of folks have gotten their new Mustangs stripped. Some have gone with side stripes with no designation, just solid stripes
Some have gone with a designation such as GT 300(as in 300HP), or GT 350, or GT 500. While others have gone with mustang emblems.
As I'm looking at getting a new mustang and am looking at getting stripes. I've paid a lot of attention to the stripes threads.
Some have commented that "GT 300" would lose its meaning if you ever modded the car and increased the HP.
Others have commented that using GT 350 or GT 500 is 'inapppropriate" because that is reserved for the real thing.
So I was thinking that GT 460 (as in 4.6L) might be an "appropriate" designation. It's unique and won't change if you mod your mustang (unless you swap engines or bore out your cylinders). "GT 460" goes along the with other designations traditions you see such as Nissan 350Z (3.5L), all Lexus models (e.g. GS300 -3.0L, LS 430 - 4.3L), Saturn L 300 (3.0L) and others.
I quote "appropriate" because it's a free continent (for my Canadian buddies). Everyone is free to put on their car whatever they want and, in reality, there are no official rules on what you can/cannot put on your stang (just mustang community social norms on what is acceptable)
This thread/discussion is not meant to attack those that have gone with GT 300, 350 or 500 and I don't want it going that way.
Just wanted some thoughts/discussion on the GT 460 idea.
Some have gone with a designation such as GT 300(as in 300HP), or GT 350, or GT 500. While others have gone with mustang emblems.
As I'm looking at getting a new mustang and am looking at getting stripes. I've paid a lot of attention to the stripes threads.
Some have commented that "GT 300" would lose its meaning if you ever modded the car and increased the HP.
Others have commented that using GT 350 or GT 500 is 'inapppropriate" because that is reserved for the real thing.
So I was thinking that GT 460 (as in 4.6L) might be an "appropriate" designation. It's unique and won't change if you mod your mustang (unless you swap engines or bore out your cylinders). "GT 460" goes along the with other designations traditions you see such as Nissan 350Z (3.5L), all Lexus models (e.g. GS300 -3.0L, LS 430 - 4.3L), Saturn L 300 (3.0L) and others.
I quote "appropriate" because it's a free continent (for my Canadian buddies). Everyone is free to put on their car whatever they want and, in reality, there are no official rules on what you can/cannot put on your stang (just mustang community social norms on what is acceptable)
This thread/discussion is not meant to attack those that have gone with GT 300, 350 or 500 and I don't want it going that way.
Just wanted some thoughts/discussion on the GT 460 idea.
6/22/05, 07:11 PM
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I say use whatever you want. However, remember the 460 code was also used on Mach radios. GT 350 is my favorite so far but I think I'd prefer to go with main stripes and none on the side. Just my 2 cents! Good luck!
6/22/05, 09:37 PM
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Mark, I have thought about this a lot. I am in the crowd that believes GT350 and GT500 are inappropriate. (but do whatever you want to YOUR car)
At first I didn't even like GT300, but from reading a lot about Carroll Shelby and getting an idea of his personality, I don't believe the story of using the distance from the office to the shop for the designation. In my mind it was based on one of two things. First (and most likely) is the GT350R had 350 hp. THAT was the car he was building and that's the one the name was for. The street GT350's were just a necessary part of qualifying for SCCA racing. So it didn’t matter that they didn’t have 350 hp. They were just street legal imitations of the GT350R.
That being said, GT300 is appropriate since the car has 300 hp… however, it’s not a Shelby. What to do, what to do.
As for the name not fitting once you add hp, would you change the name of a real GT350R if you added horsepower? (or any other car that had a name based on it's original horsepower) Probably not.
At first I didn't even like GT300, but from reading a lot about Carroll Shelby and getting an idea of his personality, I don't believe the story of using the distance from the office to the shop for the designation. In my mind it was based on one of two things. First (and most likely) is the GT350R had 350 hp. THAT was the car he was building and that's the one the name was for. The street GT350's were just a necessary part of qualifying for SCCA racing. So it didn’t matter that they didn’t have 350 hp. They were just street legal imitations of the GT350R.
That being said, GT300 is appropriate since the car has 300 hp… however, it’s not a Shelby. What to do, what to do.
As for the name not fitting once you add hp, would you change the name of a real GT350R if you added horsepower? (or any other car that had a name based on it's original horsepower) Probably not.
6/22/05, 09:50 PM
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The question to ask is, what look are you going for? Are you looking to have a Shelby look, or are you wanting a side stripe to have something on the side that contrasts with the car's dominant color? I'm one of those that turns my nose up at "clones" (the nice word for "fakes"). I put the LeMans (or Shelby) stripes on my '05 GT, because I like the original GT350 look, but I won't go so far as to put a Shelby designation on my car, even if there weren't a true Shelby car about to hit the showrooms.
As far as your dilemma, my personal inclination is to stay away from GT-anything designations within a side stripe. Maybe you could go with FR500_ and fill in the blank with a letter of significance to you. My two cents worth.
As far as your dilemma, my personal inclination is to stay away from GT-anything designations within a side stripe. Maybe you could go with FR500_ and fill in the blank with a letter of significance to you. My two cents worth.
6/22/05, 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by StangNut@June 22, 2005, 10:40 PM
At first I didn't even like GT300, but from reading a lot about Carroll Shelby and getting an idea of his personality, I don't believe the story of using the distance from the office to the shop for the designation. In my mind it was based on one of two things. First (and most likely) is the GT350R had 350 hp. THAT was the car he was building and that's the one the name was for. The street GT350's were just a necessary part of qualifying for SCCA racing. So it didn’t matter that they didn’t have 350 hp. They were just street legal imitations of the GT350R.
That being said, GT300 is appropriate since the car has 300 hp…
At first I didn't even like GT300, but from reading a lot about Carroll Shelby and getting an idea of his personality, I don't believe the story of using the distance from the office to the shop for the designation. In my mind it was based on one of two things. First (and most likely) is the GT350R had 350 hp. THAT was the car he was building and that's the one the name was for. The street GT350's were just a necessary part of qualifying for SCCA racing. So it didn’t matter that they didn’t have 350 hp. They were just street legal imitations of the GT350R.
That being said, GT300 is appropriate since the car has 300 hp…
Good point. I had also heard the Shelby story about how he came up with GT 350, but like you said, GT350R had 350HP. It also had 350lbs of torque (see link) http://www.carmemories.com/cgi-bin/viewexp...perience_id=109. Although other web sites list it as 360 bhp.
So based on that, then GT 300 would work (be "appropriate"). But if you used the 05's torque then you would have a GT 315
Thanks for all your comments. I had thought about the GT 281 too and even GTS-197.
I'll probably end up going with solid stripes, but wanted some other opinions on the subject.
Too bad we can't get a consensus and start a GT-300/GT 460/GT 281 club made up of Shelby/LeMans striped stangs.
Instead we could start "Shelby wantabe" or "Cobra II wantabe" club
6/22/05, 10:47 PM
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On this car, I personally prefer the unmarked rocker stripes. However, if you were to remove the GT bagding from the side, then I think GT 300 works best (acadian, I love your car... If you didn't hear me the 1st 20 times), even if the car has more than 300 hp. I wouldn't put GT 500 or GT 350 on anything but the real thing.
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6/22/05, 11:29 PM
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I was thinking of dropping the GT and going with
a "300" on the stripe.
As there is a big GT badge above the Stripe.
Any Photo Chops of any of the suggestions?
a "300" on the stripe.
As there is a big GT badge above the Stripe.
Any Photo Chops of any of the suggestions?
6/22/05, 11:37 PM
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ok I got it "G.T. 350/500 H.R.KR.CS II???"
no seriously, whys the reason you are adding the "G.T. anything?"
because of looks? then do which ever you think looks better.
to pay omage to the original shelby? then "G.T. 350"
to pay omage to shelby while saying you are a bad ****? then "G.T. 500"
to have a clone of a shelby special" then "G.T. 500H" or "G.T. 350R" or "G.T. 500KR"
I mean seriously I personally think its my car, I have to live with it, I will do what I like. who cares what anyone else thinks, theres always going to be someone who will knock it, and if the cars has the ***** to back it up then, well, they will be the one looking like the chump still sitting at the starting line when your crossing the finish, the who will be laughing?
but if you are the one who would like to do something cool and borrow from the shelby striping but personally feel that it would be inappropriate or disrespectful in some way to the original namesake then come up with something unique like you did with the GT 460 if you like it, it actually sounds like a great idea because it will be unique.
here are some other ideas.....
GT 500T- "T" for tribute
GT 500II - borrowing from the Mustang IIs
or since this thing is just a GT and not officially a Shelby (and I am surprised no one out there has mentioned it yet) why not go with what Ford put on the original GTs?
and simply put "MUSTANG" in the rocker stripe like the 66s (but not huge like on the current V6s)
or now heres a thought, just "GT" like the 67s
no seriously, whys the reason you are adding the "G.T. anything?"
because of looks? then do which ever you think looks better.
to pay omage to the original shelby? then "G.T. 350"
to pay omage to shelby while saying you are a bad ****? then "G.T. 500"
to have a clone of a shelby special" then "G.T. 500H" or "G.T. 350R" or "G.T. 500KR"
I mean seriously I personally think its my car, I have to live with it, I will do what I like. who cares what anyone else thinks, theres always going to be someone who will knock it, and if the cars has the ***** to back it up then, well, they will be the one looking like the chump still sitting at the starting line when your crossing the finish, the who will be laughing?
but if you are the one who would like to do something cool and borrow from the shelby striping but personally feel that it would be inappropriate or disrespectful in some way to the original namesake then come up with something unique like you did with the GT 460 if you like it, it actually sounds like a great idea because it will be unique.
here are some other ideas.....
GT 500T- "T" for tribute
GT 500II - borrowing from the Mustang IIs
or since this thing is just a GT and not officially a Shelby (and I am surprised no one out there has mentioned it yet) why not go with what Ford put on the original GTs?
and simply put "MUSTANG" in the rocker stripe like the 66s (but not huge like on the current V6s)
or now heres a thought, just "GT" like the 67s
6/23/05, 04:02 AM
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All great points.
I too am having this dilema.
It's to the point whether or not I even put any stripes on the rockers.
I think your idea is great if you like it. It's your car.
I think the "GT" 350 and 500 references are totally inappropriate.
Something unique as you have suggested is totally cool.
I may just go with M U S T A N G.
I too am having this dilema.
It's to the point whether or not I even put any stripes on the rockers.
I think your idea is great if you like it. It's your car.
I think the "GT" 350 and 500 references are totally inappropriate.
Something unique as you have suggested is totally cool.
I may just go with M U S T A N G.
6/23/05, 06:13 AM
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Nah...
BOSS 281 (4.6L = 281 CI)
Hood stripes (available)
Side "hockey stick" stripes with "Boss 281" on them (available)
Blacked out Chin Spoiler (several Available)
Rear window Louvers (available)
Blacked out rear spoiler (with $$ available)
Rear "boss" stripes around tail lights (available)
Magnum 500 retro mags ($$$ but available)
Raised white letter tires (coming)
Well ??
Jay
BOSS 281 (4.6L = 281 CI)
Hood stripes (available)
Side "hockey stick" stripes with "Boss 281" on them (available)
Blacked out Chin Spoiler (several Available)
Rear window Louvers (available)
Blacked out rear spoiler (with $$ available)
Rear "boss" stripes around tail lights (available)
Magnum 500 retro mags ($$$ but available)
Raised white letter tires (coming)
Well ??
Jay
6/23/05, 10:55 AM
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I vote for GT 281...
GT 460 doesnt do it for me, nor do the GT 350/500 knockoffs.
As a matter of fact stripes on 05's is getting so common that I wouldn't put them on if I had one.
GT 460 doesnt do it for me, nor do the GT 350/500 knockoffs.
As a matter of fact stripes on 05's is getting so common that I wouldn't put them on if I had one.
6/23/05, 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by 245/45ZR-17@June 23, 2005, 10:58 AM
I vote for GT 281...
GT 460 doesnt do it for me, nor do the GT 350/500 knockoffs.
As a matter of fact stripes on 05's is getting so common that I wouldn't put them on if I had one.
I vote for GT 281...
GT 460 doesnt do it for me, nor do the GT 350/500 knockoffs.
As a matter of fact stripes on 05's is getting so common that I wouldn't put them on if I had one.
Dave...
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6/23/05, 12:31 PM
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I like the sounds of GT460 but I see nothing wrong with my car saying GT350. I kinda like it. Anyway, I thought I saw a ROUSH once that had markings of 400A or something like that. Personally, I think you can put just about anything on their as long as it makes sense and people would understand what it meant. I put GT350 on mine and if FORD should produce a new styled GT350 I can already hear people say that I am a wannabe. So be it, I put the GT350 on my new style Stang before FORD did so :P