Carroll Shelby explains why there won't be IRS
3/27/05, 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by max2000jp@March 27, 2005, 2:17 PM
The number you want to look at is the slalom mph.
The number you want to look at is the slalom mph.
'05 Mustang GT = 66.1 mph
'04 Pontiac GTO = 63.5
'05 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 = 66.2
All numbers from Motor Trend, and not all tested at the same time.
3/27/05, 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by matic@March 27, 2005, 3:23 PM
Can I end this argument please? Bottom line: For $40k,
You can have a > 450hp car with a 5.4L 32v supercharged V8 and a live axle ... OR
You can have a < 400hp car with a 4.6L 24v supercharged V8 and an IRS setup.
It doesn't matter if Ford is telling the truth about the costs or not, that is the financial bottom line for what you get. The live axle on the S197 is so well set up, the IRS won't hold much gain for the car in any situation. But if you had to have it, you could have the 5.4L V8 with IRS for over $45,000.00 ... IF they decide to make it an option.
So if you want the car for less than $40k, you either get the 5.4 or the IRS. Now, quit arguing.
Can I end this argument please? Bottom line: For $40k,
You can have a > 450hp car with a 5.4L 32v supercharged V8 and a live axle ... OR
You can have a < 400hp car with a 4.6L 24v supercharged V8 and an IRS setup.
It doesn't matter if Ford is telling the truth about the costs or not, that is the financial bottom line for what you get. The live axle on the S197 is so well set up, the IRS won't hold much gain for the car in any situation. But if you had to have it, you could have the 5.4L V8 with IRS for over $45,000.00 ... IF they decide to make it an option.
So if you want the car for less than $40k, you either get the 5.4 or the IRS. Now, quit arguing.
3/27/05, 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by holderca1+March 27, 2005, 3:50 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(holderca1 @ March 27, 2005, 3:50 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-max2000jp@March 27, 2005, 2:17 PM
The number you want to look at is the slalom mph.
The number you want to look at is the slalom mph.
'05 Mustang GT = 66.1 mph
'04 Pontiac GTO = 63.5
'05 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 = 66.2
All numbers from Motor Trend, and not all tested at the same time.
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Magazine racing....Again, don't hold those numbers as the gospel. A C6 will mop up our cars in every handling catagory and on a race track. I am sure there are people that will look at those figures and say that the 05 GT handles just as well as a C6. If you were to put the same driver in each car under the same conditions, the C6 would anihilate us.
3/27/05, 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by max2000jp+March 27, 2005, 3:41 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(max2000jp @ March 27, 2005, 3:41 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Okay,
'05 Mustang GT = 66.1 mph
'04 Pontiac GTO = 63.5
'05 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 = 66.2
All numbers from Motor Trend, and not all tested at the same time.
Originally posted by holderca1@March 27, 2005, 3:50 PM
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@March 27, 2005, 2:17 PM
The number you want to look at is the slalom mph.
The number you want to look at is the slalom mph.
Okay,
'05 Mustang GT = 66.1 mph
'04 Pontiac GTO = 63.5
'05 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 = 66.2
All numbers from Motor Trend, and not all tested at the same time.
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Honestly, if the slalom numbers of the SRA were that good, they would have been otherworldly with the IRS. But the SRA is "good enough" in Ford's eyes.
3/27/05, 06:24 PM
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It was good enough in Daytona.
3/27/05, 06:28 PM
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3/27/05, 06:29 PM
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Oook...one win. And BMW came back and won the second race.
What's your point?
3/27/05, 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by max2000jp+March 27, 2005, 7:31 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(max2000jp @ March 27, 2005, 7:31 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-1 BULLITT@March 27, 2005, 8:27 PM
It was good enough in Daytona.
It was good enough in Daytona.
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Yeah..I'm really getting kind of sick of hearing about Daytona all the time. It's nice they conveniently forget that a BMW won the next round at Santo Domingo, a track that places a premium on handling over hp.
Fer chrissakes, it's only one win, and they've only had two races so far.
3/27/05, 06:40 PM
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3/27/05, 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by 1 BULLITT+March 27, 2005, 7:43 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(1 BULLITT @ March 27, 2005, 7:43 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Joes66Pony@March 27, 2005, 8:32 PM
What's your point?
What's your point?
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Right. Nobody's questioning that. Put Michael Schumacher into a Yugo and he could probably scratch out a few wins.
My point is that Daytona is a power track, where horsepower lends itself well to the banking and the long straights.
3/27/05, 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Joes66Pony@March 27, 2005, 8:48 PM
... Put Michael Schumacher into a Yugo and he could probably scratch out a few wins.
... Put Michael Schumacher into a Yugo and he could probably scratch out a few wins.
3/27/05, 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by 1 BULLITT+March 27, 2005, 9:55 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(1 BULLITT @ March 27, 2005, 9:55 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Joes66Pony@March 27, 2005, 8:48 PM
... Put Michael Schumacher into a Yugo and he could probably scratch out a few wins.
... Put Michael Schumacher into a Yugo and he could probably scratch out a few wins.
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Adequate is the right word...I wonder if ford will use it in its advertising, personally I prefer good enough
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