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Old 4/2/07, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 89Trooper View Post
Shorter throw - already shorter than previous years and doesn't need to be shorter for daily driving.

Better feel - the stock one is firm and not a "wet noodle".

Easier shifting - no problem there, even hitting 3rd gear.
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opinion (according to Steve from SD)
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Old 4/2/07, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TacoBill View Post
Disagree with my numbers? I hope so. It just points out that they're merely opinions. If your preception of the stock Mustang shifter is the greatest, then it is (in your mind). And, if all aftermarket shifters are junk, ditto.
My numbers were Mustangs only... can't compare a Cadillac to a Mustang.

The numbers just show the room for improvement on other parts of the car. You can try to give me one good reason to get a shifter for a daily driver, too.
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Old 4/2/07, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LEO_06GT View Post
I'll tell you why because there's always room for improvement over stock.
But do you need it?

Springs? Yes... look much better.

Tune? Yes... you know why!

Shifter? My main question still stands: Do you really need to spend $300 on something that works so good already? Am I going to have an orgasm every time I shift?

My mom, uh, wife is calling me to eat... I'll come back out to play later.
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Let's try something else. A number scale from 1 (worst) to 10 (best). First we'll do springs.

Look of stock '99-'04 springs: 1 (that bad?? Leo?)
Comfort of stock '99-'04 springs: 10 (10? It rode smoother than a Caddy?)

Look of stock '05+ springs: 5 (agree)
Comfort of stock '05+ springs: 10 (10? It rode smoother than a Caddy?)

Look of Ultra Lite springs on '05+: 10 (I like it, but I like the look of the Eibach Pro's better.. so not really a 10)
Comfort of Ultra Lite springs on '05+: 8 (8's too high if a 10 is riding on a cloud)

Ease of shifting a stock shifter: 9 (once gain, too high. Ever shift a new Honda whatever? Now compare that to the Mustang)
Comfort level of a stock shifter: 10 (see above)

Ease of shifting an MGW aftermarket shifter: 10 (I'll tell you Saturday)
Comfort level of an MGW aftermarket shifter: 10 (same thing)

Disagree with my numbers? I hope so. It just points out that they're merely opinions. If your preception of the stock Mustang shifter is the greatest, then it is (in your mind). And, if all aftermarket shifters are junk, ditto.



Your point system is jacked up. A 1 to 10 scale is way too broad. A 1 to 4 grading system is much better for this example.

On lowering, that's an opinion, which I hope you really meant.

I still have hope for you if you're considering one if it were free. If you were dead against it, free or not, you'd still say no.

I agree with Bill. Although I do agree with Tom that the 99-04 springs looked horrible. But I have to disagree about them riding like "10".



Very well put, Leo. You sound so mature in that post, I'm impressed!
There's that maturity again!

Thanks and thanks again.


Tom you can't win this battle so just give up.
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Originally Posted by 89Trooper View Post
But do you need it?

Springs? Yes... look much better.

Tune? Yes... you know why!

Shifter? My main question still stands: Do you really need to spend $300 on something that works so good already? Am I going to have an orgasm every time I shift?

My mom, uh, wife is calling me to eat... I'll come back out to play later.

The shifter isn't that great or there wouldn't be so many people switching them out.
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But do you need it?
Hell yeah!


My main question still stands: Do you really need to spend $300 on something that works so good already?
That's the most idiodic statement ever from a guy who mods cars. Case in point, everything that comes stock on the new Mustang works good already. We spend the $$$ to improve the preformance or enhance the look of our cars. If the new shifter improves the shifting performance, then it isn't a waste.


Am I going to have an orgasm every time I shift?
God, I hope not!

My mom, uh, wife is calling me to eat... I'll come back out to play later.
Chicken! Come back and fight!
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Old 4/2/07, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LEO_06GT View Post

The shifter isn't that great or there wouldn't be so many people switching them out.
I disagree. People find any excuse in the world to change something, especially when it comes to power. They get so used to something that it gets old, and they need something "more"

That's why people with GT's want superchargers, and people with GT500's want the Kenne bell upgrade supercharger, and etc.

But, I don't want to get involved in this....so please leave me out. I'm just stating a fact. A true fact, unlike Tom's "fact" about springs.
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Old 4/2/07, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mikes rx View Post
I disagree. People find any excuse in the world to change something, especially when it comes to power. They get so used to something that it gets old, and they need something "more"

That's why people with GT's want superchargers, and people with GT500's want the Kenne bell upgrade supercharger, and etc.
True, but why do they change it?? Like you said to increase performance. Which Is why I keep insisting that the MGW shifter or any other shifter for that matter would be an improvement over stock.

BTW-Don't help Tom out. It's Tom against the world day. I guess you didn't get the memo.
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Originally Posted by 89Trooper View Post
My numbers were Mustangs only... can't compare a Cadillac to a Mustang.
Way to back pedal!

Scale mentions from best to worst. Funny, I missed the part where it only applied to Mustangs.



Originally Posted by mikes rx View Post
People find any excuse in the world to change something, especially when it comes to power. They get so used to something that it gets old, and they need something "more"

That's why people with GT's want superchargers, and people with GT500's want the Kenne bell upgrade supercharger, and etc.
Exactly! Your list of mods in your siggy is a prime example.
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Originally Posted by LEO_06GT View Post
True, but why do they change it?? Like you said to increase performance. Which Is why I keep insisting that the MGW shifter or any other shifter for that matter would be an improvement over stock.
It does give a better "feel" when driving. Less clunkiness/sloppiness/etc.

But, I honestly like the lack of effort and such needed with the S197 STOCK shifter.

I had the tri-ax and MGW in my 2000, and as nice as it was shift wise, I now like not having to put the effort into shifting like I used to for that car (But, the MGW was a LOT better than the Steeda, so if I do put a full shifter in my car, it will be MGW or nothing).

What's nice about the saleen adapter just helps make shorter throws, yet is still VERY easy to shift
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Wow we have 12 people viewing this thread right now. I guess we've made it pretty entertaining today. I think Brad should've give us a cut of the dough.
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Originally Posted by LEO_06GT View Post
BTW-Don't help Tom out. It's Tom against the world day. I guess you didn't get the memo.
Read my edit...
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Poor Tom, probably choking on his food right now hurrying to get back into the debate!
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Originally Posted by mikes rx View Post
Read my edit...
I did but I'd already made my post.
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Originally Posted by LEO_06GT View Post
Wow we have 12 people viewing this thread right now. I guess we've made it pretty entertaining today. I think Brad should've give us a cut of the dough.
Not my dough...he hasn't responded to my email that I sent last night.

Just wanted to rehash it....

Now back to our regularly scheduled banter.
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Well, I'm starving, so I'm going to sign off for a few minutes to eat and watch some Scrubs.

At this rate, I'll have 5 pages of posts to read when I get back.
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Originally Posted by TacoBill View Post
Poor Tom, probably choking on his food right now hurrying to get back into the debate!
He must be fuming I'm surprised he can even eat right now. I think I'll have to argue with Tom more often now it's so entertaining.

Tomorrow's topic Stock H or O/R H.

I've been holding lunch off thanks to this thread.
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Originally Posted by mikes rx View Post
What's nice about the saleen adapter just helps make shorter throws, yet is still VERY easy to shift
The Saleen adapter is great for the money. In fact, I would actually recommend one for those looking to shorten up their throws a bit. Who knows how many people have bought one since reading my 'how-to' on it.

But for me, I want a 'real' shifter now. It's just time to kick it up a notch (no pun intended ).
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Originally Posted by TacoBill View Post
The Saleen adapter is great for the money. In fact, I would actually recommend one for those looking to shorten up their throws a bit. Who knows how many people have bought one since reading my 'how-to' on it.

But for me, I want a 'real' shifter now. It's just time to kick it up a notch (no pun intended ).
Okay there Emril.


I'll be back I'm starving. I'll eat in front of the PC so I don't miss anything.
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He must be fuming I'm surprised he can even eat right now. I think I'll have to argue with Tom more often now it's so entertaining.
Hey, it was Tom's idea moving this debate from e-mail to the open arena!
If he ends up with integestion, it's his own fault.


Tomorrow's topic Stock H or O/R H.
... Don't get me started on trumpeting again!



I've been holding lunch off thanks to this thread.
Still working on that one pounder?
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