Hill Start Assist
1/26/15, 10:04 PM
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My 2011 and now my 2013 Edge has hill start assist. I'm fairly certain my mustang doesn't have it. You need to use the hand brake on steep inclines, or just press the gas. But if things need to be controlled, use the handbrake.
1/26/15, 11:18 PM
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I haven't triple checked but I really don't think you do. On a hill an auto will hold. No matter how steep the hill it will not roll back. So the brakes do not need to hold. That is what hill assist is. The brakes hold the car. The tranny holding things is not hill assist.
What you are observing is on a hill normally an auto will still roll up slowly. On a "pretty steep" hill it won't be able to roll forward in idle, so it will just sit. This could be mistaken since it normally rolls as the brakes holding until you hit the gas. But it is not. It is still the tranny.
What you are observing is on a hill normally an auto will still roll up slowly. On a "pretty steep" hill it won't be able to roll forward in idle, so it will just sit. This could be mistaken since it normally rolls as the brakes holding until you hit the gas. But it is not. It is still the tranny.
BTW 'Hill Start Assist' functions in both directions by applying the brakes and keeping the vehicle from rolling backwards or forwards.
This feature makes it easier to pull away when the vehicle is on a slope
without the need to use the parking brake. When this feature is active, the
vehicle will remain stationary on the slope for two to three seconds after
you release the brake pedal. This allows you time to move your foot from
the brake to the accelerator pedal. The brakes are released automatically
once the engine has developed sufficient drive to prevent the vehicle from
rolling down the slope. This is an advantage when pulling away on a slope,
(for example from a car park ramp, traffic lights or when reversing uphill
into a parking space).
This feature is activated automatically on any slope that can result in
significant vehicle rollback. This feature will not operate if the parking
brake is activated.
Using Hill Start Assist
Note: If the engine is revved excessively, hill start assist will be
deactivated.
1. Press the brake pedal to bring the vehicle to a complete standstill.
Keep the brake pedal pressed.
2. If the sensors detect that the vehicle is on a slope, the hill start assist
feature will be activated automatically.
3. When you remove your foot from the brake pedal, the vehicle will
remain on the slope without rolling away for approximately two or
three seconds. This hold time will automatically be extended if you are
in the process of driving off.
4. Drive off in the normal manner. The brakes will be released
automatically.
1/27/15, 08:02 AM
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I had a 2013 3.7 / Standard Transmission Mustang a couple years ago, and it had hill start assist, where it would hold the brakes for a couple seconds or so, and it was a nice feature on a manual transmission car, especially around here, with the hills and all...
After that, I had a 2013 F150 5.0 with the same feature, and even with the truck having a 6R80, I found it was a nice feature to have.
Now I have a 2014 Mustang GT 5.0 / 6R80 - the fact that the car does NOT have this feature isn't a huge deal, but I would like to have it.
Does anyone here know if it is at all possible to enable hill start assist on an auto GT? Maybe a dealer service dept. IDS accessible feature, or would this be an as built data hack...if so, I don't want to mess with it on that level, anybody know?
After that, I had a 2013 F150 5.0 with the same feature, and even with the truck having a 6R80, I found it was a nice feature to have.
Now I have a 2014 Mustang GT 5.0 / 6R80 - the fact that the car does NOT have this feature isn't a huge deal, but I would like to have it.
Does anyone here know if it is at all possible to enable hill start assist on an auto GT? Maybe a dealer service dept. IDS accessible feature, or would this be an as built data hack...if so, I don't want to mess with it on that level, anybody know?
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1/27/15, 08:53 AM
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2011-2012 has a button (automatics) on the side of the shifter. You push this button when you have to go 'down' long hills. It just puts the transmission in 5th gear so you don't have to ride the brakes and maybe overheat them. On the 2013-2014 just put the transmission in manual mode then down shift a gear this will be doing the samething the 2011-2012's did.
I 'think' some people are getting confused on this feature. Just a thought
I 'think' some people are getting confused on this feature. Just a thought
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1/27/15, 09:58 AM
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I despise the hill assist feature. Had it on a 2010 Challenger and it drove me nuts. My 2012 gt doesn't have it, thankfully. When i was taking driver's ed many moons ago the instructor took me up one of the steepest longest streets in my town and had me drive to very top and stop and hold the car on the hill with just the accelerator. I was scared senseless of rolling back down the hill but I actually did it and it was a terrific confidence builder. He knew what he was doing and that was probably the greatest lesson I ever got about driving. I remember that experience like it was yesterday.
1/27/15, 10:03 AM
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I've probably owned over 40 different cars, all but 4 had manual transmissions. Out of all of those cars I've only had to replace a clutch ONCE, on a Focus with about 150,000 miles on it. I'm not hard on the clutch and I certainly don't need any help starting or staying on a hill. Others like the hill assist, I get it, it's just not for me. I want total control of the car.
1/27/15, 10:45 AM
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I've probably owned over 40 different cars, all but 4 had manual transmissions. Out of all of those cars I've only had to replace a clutch ONCE, on a Focus with about 150,000 miles on it. I'm not hard on the clutch and I certainly don't need any help starting or staying on a hill. Others like the hill assist, I get it, it's just not for me. I want total control of the car.
1/27/15, 11:01 AM
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It has nothing to do with being a man as it has everything to do with being in full control of the car. Today's cars are incrementally adding computer control for everything. I think that's part of the reason the younger generation isn't as fond of cars as the older generations. It used to be fun to drive, but nowadays, it's just a convenience. The new cars have hill assist to help you start on a hill, many cars have the self parking feature because people don't know how to parallel park anymore, they have lane change monitoring in case you're not paying attention when changing lanes, it has brake assist in case you get to close to the car in front of you, they have accident avoidance in case an accident happens in front of you and the car will react before you do, they have automatic high beam/low beam capability in case you are too stupid to change to low beams with oncoming traffic, rain sensors for windshield wipers in case you forget that you need wipers in the rain, etc, etc.
How long before cars are just a way to get from point A to point B and all you do is get in and sit down, speak your destination and the car does everything? Where's the fun in that? Cars are getting boring, driving is getting boring and everybody is accepting the change to this new way of life with open arms! The days of enjoyable driving are slowly going away.
How long before cars are just a way to get from point A to point B and all you do is get in and sit down, speak your destination and the car does everything? Where's the fun in that? Cars are getting boring, driving is getting boring and everybody is accepting the change to this new way of life with open arms! The days of enjoyable driving are slowly going away.
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1/27/15, 11:24 AM
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Just like TPMS has decreased sperm count.
And have you noticed the correlation between the rollout of 'Traction Control' and other nannies with Viagra sales?? It is astounding!!
1/27/15, 01:21 PM
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Actually, the only reason I ever even knew i had hill assist on my old Challenger is when i once tried to go quickly through an intersection from a stop to avoid a car barreling towards me and there was that slight hesitation as the hill assist ASSISTED me (read: prevented me from leaving as quickly as I would have liked). Also, I can do without the smarmy remarks.
1/27/15, 01:27 PM
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Hill start assist is quite handy on vehicles that tow trailers and such. My dad's truck (which is an auto) has it and it is a nice help while on the boat ramp pulling the boats out of the water.
1/27/15, 02:54 PM
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I actually like Hill Start Assist. First vehicle I had it on was my 2009 Jeep Wrangler ... Great when offroading too. My 2014 Honda Civic SI has it and I was also able to enable it on my 2012 Mustang GT ... so know my entire fleet has it.
1/27/15, 03:51 PM
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Sorry but the "hill assist" you have on your Edge automatic is actually called "grade assist" and it is a very useful feature for when traveling in the mountains because it cancels overdrive and changes the transmission shift points so that it doesn't spend so much time shifting up and down. It also provides increased engine braking so you don't have to ride the brakes going down a steep incline. It was great in my Edge during a trip through the Carolinas and West Virginia. But it is not for holding your vehicle in place for a hill start.
1/27/15, 10:06 PM
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^^ this, plus:
The emergency brake in the Ford Edge is foot operated... There is no hand brake. Hill start assist is very useful because of that. In the mustang automatic.... We have a hand brake...
The emergency brake in the Ford Edge is foot operated... There is no hand brake. Hill start assist is very useful because of that. In the mustang automatic.... We have a hand brake...
1/28/15, 11:27 AM
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Again, I live in a fairly flat area so I may just be ignorant to true hill starts.
1/29/15, 11:10 PM
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It has nothing to do with being a man as it has everything to do with being in full control of the car. Today's cars are incrementally adding computer control for everything. I think that's part of the reason the younger generation isn't as fond of cars as the older generations. It used to be fun to drive, but nowadays, it's just a convenience. The new cars have hill assist to help you start on a hill, many cars have the self parking feature because people don't know how to parallel park anymore, they have lane change monitoring in case you're not paying attention when changing lanes, it has brake assist in case you get to close to the car in front of you, they have accident avoidance in case an accident happens in front of you and the car will react before you do, they have automatic high beam/low beam capability in case you are too stupid to change to low beams with oncoming traffic, rain sensors for windshield wipers in case you forget that you need wipers in the rain, etc, etc. How long before cars are just a way to get from point A to point B and all you do is get in and sit down, speak your destination and the car does everything? Where's the fun in that? Cars are getting boring, driving is getting boring and everybody is accepting the change to this new way of life with open arms! The days of enjoyable driving are slowly going away.
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1/30/15, 12:38 AM
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I agree, today's technology has delivered cars that are safer, faster, and more comfortable. You can usually turn off all the nannies if you want. I appreciate old muscle cars, but I'd rather drive mine.
1/30/15, 06:32 AM
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It has nothing to do with being a man as it has everything to do with being in full control of the car. Today's cars are incrementally adding computer control for everything. I think that's part of the reason the younger generation isn't as fond of cars as the older generations. It used to be fun to drive, but nowadays, it's just a convenience. The new cars have hill assist to help you start on a hill, many cars have the self parking feature because people don't know how to parallel park anymore, they have lane change monitoring in case you're not paying attention when changing lanes, it has brake assist in case you get to close to the car in front of you, they have accident avoidance in case an accident happens in front of you and the car will react before you do, they have automatic high beam/low beam capability in case you are too stupid to change to low beams with oncoming traffic, rain sensors for windshield wipers in case you forget that you need wipers in the rain, etc, etc.
How long before cars are just a way to get from point A to point B and all you do is get in and sit down, speak your destination and the car does everything? Where's the fun in that? Cars are getting boring, driving is getting boring and everybody is accepting the change to this new way of life with open arms! The days of enjoyable driving are slowly going away.
How long before cars are just a way to get from point A to point B and all you do is get in and sit down, speak your destination and the car does everything? Where's the fun in that? Cars are getting boring, driving is getting boring and everybody is accepting the change to this new way of life with open arms! The days of enjoyable driving are slowly going away.