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Not to mention that QNX a was NOT built for mobile. It was developed in 1982. Not sure what mobile devices were used back then. Anyway, it was mainly used in military apps. Then in the late 90's and early 2000's started being used in high end car telematics like BMW and Porsche because of its reliability. It was purchased by RIM in 2010 and at that point, for the first time ever, used in mobile devices.

msqr

Guessing there'll be a dark mode for evenings. Even with the dark mode on the current Sync V1 I have, it's too bright at night.

msqr

Still waiting on this promised update for Sync Gen1 vehicles: https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...customers.html

Hard to believe SYNC v3 isn't another empty promise... Of course, if in the next 18 days, Ford miraculously delivers that Gen1 update, I'll retract my statement

kylerohde

The new generation clearly isn't an empty promise; Ford has been hammered for four years because of problems with it so they've got to get it right this time. But you're right about the update to v1.

msqr

But as many people pointed out in and out of this thread, Ford's problems were hardly to do with the underlying OS, be it Windows Auto or QNX. Did they really want to get it right, or is this just a PR stint to get us to trust their tech?

skramblr

A little more info here:
http://www.computerworld.com/article...n-sync-v3.html

Looks like a new CPU. They're also a little more clear that the OS is changing from embedded windows to QNX - but still no details about who is writing the apps the run the sync system.

As mentioned above - QNX was not originally developed for automotive use, but they have developed an offshoot of QNX target for use in cars.
http://www.qnx.com/products/qnxcar/

The great thing about QNX is it provides an environment to integrate existing QNX apps into the platform. I just haven't been able to figure out (yet) who is doing the actual app development for Ford.

JoeMidnight

I was wondering about this too. I know that my wife's 2014 Santa fe, her stereo has a blue background and its SOOOOO bright, even dimmed during the night. I hate it. There is a button that will turn off the display if you want while driving at night, but its annoying because it resets each time you turn the car off.

captain slow

I don't know what problem people are having, or what versions they are running. Hell, I don't even know what version I have. But My 2014 has the Electronics package and all the touch screen stuff seems to work just fine for me. Its not the prettiest, but its simple and pretty easy to use I think. Have not had a problem yet.

kylerohde

Really, Ford is going to do a PR stunt to try and fix something that has been the bane of their existence for four years now? I doubt any system on the new cars has had more attention than that one over the past couple years in engineering.

msqr

Which is exactly why the PR stint itself is more valuable than the actual engineering change if it makes people try one more time. Doesn't matter if Microsoft was the problem or not.

Amariel

QNX was developed as an RTOS (Real-Time Operating System). It's a low level UNIX platform, that over the years has expanded what it can do - used in embedded systems with the need to react precisely to timing events. It's strengths include interprocess communication, and a buffered file system which is designed to make it safe to lose power at any time. It has its quirks but can be extended with a lot of the FreeBSD stuff that is out there so hopefully they'll use something decent for the UI.

Its base level of security is pretty horrid, however, from what I've read.

msqr

Windows Embedded was also developed as an RTOS. UNIX was never meant to be real time any more than Windows is. All of what you said about interprocess communications exists on Windows Embedded (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms836784.aspx), and NTFS is quite resilient these days to power loss too.

Horrid security, yay, and they're introducing Wi-Fi based software updates with Syncv3... :S Given how rare software updates have been with SYNCv1 and MFT, I don't get what the big deal of plugging in USB sticks with updates are.

skramblr

Up to 2014 the mustangs have the V1. 2015 appears to have V2, the buggy My Ford Touch system found on other Fords (including my Focus).

dmhines

Mopar has been using QNX for many years in their MYGIG systems.

FordIVTteam

Hey gjcavana and Critical Mass,

SYNC 3 will introduce new hardware and software. Current MyFord Touch systems will not have the option to upgrade to SYNC 3.
Although the core operating system for SYNC 3 will be QNX, SYNC 3 will not be standard in all vehicles. The basic SYNC (Gen 1.1) will continue to be offered for some models and will still be Microsoft Auto based.

There is nothing wrong with that! Thanks for sharing, PJRManagement! I’m glad to hear you’re enjoying the system.

Hi SouthernStang79,

Ford will not offer an option to update current systems to SYNC 3.
If you’d like me to check if any software updates are available for your current system, just send me the VIN in a PM. I’ll gladly take a look!
Good eye, msqr and JoeMidnight!

You’re right. The touchscreen background color is unique for daytime and nighttime. SYNC 3 will automatically switch between the 2 screens based on light detection.

Kim

SeaFoam

It's probably because the system is garbage.

My explorer still isn't fixed - and Ford refuses to fix it. In the shop 11 times for the same thing and still they say there's no problem.

Oh yeah, I haven't had anything plugged into it. Last Ford I'll buy because of the crap service.

SeaFoam

Just so everyone doesn't think I'm just angry to be angry:




Let this be a warning to you all, it's been like this from the factory.

FordIVTteam

Hi SeaFoam,

Please send a PM with your name, VIN, phone number, dealership name, and current mileage. I'll see how I can best assist.

Kim

msqr

Seems like a defective unit more than an issue with the design - the screen clearly says there is no GPS signal so it's basing it off your speed and compass. Probably a defective GPS receiver?

Critical Mass

seems like apple got a hold of it.