2014 Mustang a fastback or not?
5/15/14, 10:07 AM
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5/15/14, 10:32 AM
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I agree with rriddle3
This is the first Mustang design to be given the name "Fastback" and like the S197 it has a distinct trunk area.
Calling the 2015 "more of a fastback" is just a bit of marketing. Anytime a car company comes out with a new product of the same model they are always going to say that it's "better", "more", "improved", "updated", "modernized", and a whole list of similar descriptive words commonly known as "hype". It's how they sell cars and get people all jazzed up about buying them. Both cars are based on the original "fastback" design.
By the way I saw my first 2015 Mustang over the weekend at the local Ford dealer. It didn't change my opinion any. The car looks fantastic until you get to the front end and then it just looks off. It didn't help any that the one they had on the lot had a dead battery.
This is the first Mustang design to be given the name "Fastback" and like the S197 it has a distinct trunk area.
Calling the 2015 "more of a fastback" is just a bit of marketing. Anytime a car company comes out with a new product of the same model they are always going to say that it's "better", "more", "improved", "updated", "modernized", and a whole list of similar descriptive words commonly known as "hype". It's how they sell cars and get people all jazzed up about buying them. Both cars are based on the original "fastback" design.
By the way I saw my first 2015 Mustang over the weekend at the local Ford dealer. It didn't change my opinion any. The car looks fantastic until you get to the front end and then it just looks off. It didn't help any that the one they had on the lot had a dead battery.
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9/8/14, 03:07 PM
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A little Googling is in order:
coupe1
/ko͞op/
noun
So, by the above definition we know it's not #2 or #3. So, it's a coupe.
But wait......
fastback
Syllabification: fast·back
Pronunciation: /ˈfas(t)bak
noun
A car with a roofline that slopes continuously down at the back.
It's both a Coupe and a Fastback by both definitions.
So until Ford offers a Coupe in the style of the first and second generation Mustangs as well as the Pintostang and Fox bodies (as opposed to the Fastback styles of those same generations) we can call the S197 and S550 pretty much whatever we want as long as it has a fixed roof.
And frankly, I really don't give a rat's patootie. I have a convertible. Or is it a rag top?
coupe1
/ko͞op/
noun
- a car with a fixed roof and two doors.
- a four-wheeled enclosed carriage for two passengers and a driver.
- an end compartment in a railroad car, with seats on only one side.
So, by the above definition we know it's not #2 or #3. So, it's a coupe.
But wait......
fastback
Syllabification: fast·back
Pronunciation: /ˈfas(t)bak
noun
A car with a roofline that slopes continuously down at the back.
It's both a Coupe and a Fastback by both definitions.
So until Ford offers a Coupe in the style of the first and second generation Mustangs as well as the Pintostang and Fox bodies (as opposed to the Fastback styles of those same generations) we can call the S197 and S550 pretty much whatever we want as long as it has a fixed roof.
And frankly, I really don't give a rat's patootie. I have a convertible. Or is it a rag top?
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9/8/14, 04:18 PM
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I far prefer the Fastbacks of the first and second gen Mustangs. But when it comes to the Fox bodies, the Coupe gets my vote. I never really cared for the Fastback Fox as much.
Thanks for posting those pics.
Thanks for posting those pics.
9/9/14, 10:18 AM
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my guess is that since there is no "coupe" version of the current models from 1994-present just verts then they dont really need to determine between coupe and fastback....the one model is the coupe and fastback all together...
no one will consider the 99-04 models to be fastback but there were only 2 choices of models....coupe and vert....i think you need to have several models (i.e. 65-73) to have the actual fastback model...we see in the early models no matter which year, they had a coupe, fastback and vert model....each was unique and different in looks and what ford wanted out of them.
regular coupe was the run of the mill car, fastback had the presents of sleek and fast, muscluar, vert was the model to enjoy the sun and wind in your hair...
since we have no true coupe or "notchback" as the fox bodies called, then there is no need to distinguish between fastback or coupe....
i think the brochures even covered this during the times..calling each one by the specific model...once the 3 models were dropped then they just became the 2 model options.
look at the definition from tripleblack14....then you can go from there...
no one will consider the 99-04 models to be fastback but there were only 2 choices of models....coupe and vert....i think you need to have several models (i.e. 65-73) to have the actual fastback model...we see in the early models no matter which year, they had a coupe, fastback and vert model....each was unique and different in looks and what ford wanted out of them.
regular coupe was the run of the mill car, fastback had the presents of sleek and fast, muscluar, vert was the model to enjoy the sun and wind in your hair...
since we have no true coupe or "notchback" as the fox bodies called, then there is no need to distinguish between fastback or coupe....
i think the brochures even covered this during the times..calling each one by the specific model...once the 3 models were dropped then they just became the 2 model options.
look at the definition from tripleblack14....then you can go from there...
9/10/14, 02:10 PM
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It's a fastback.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but yours is completely wrong.
Note how the trunk extends out horizontally after meets the roof line on this, the original "fastback" design. Case closed.
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9/10/14, 05:35 PM
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mmkay, well, you can think that if you like, but it's wrong.
I owned a 65 Mustang and there is no difference in the trunk area between the coupe and the fastback. So if your claim is that it's a fastback because of the trunk slope then by definition the coupe also qualifies.
The fact of the matter is the S197 car was obviously based on the fastback design of the 1960's. The current car (2013 / 2014) is essentially a modernized design of the 1970 Boss 302 look given the details in the headlamps and so on. It was also a fastback and therefore it is acceptable to refer to the current car as a "fastback" even though Ford qualifies it as a coupe. Ford also qualifies the 2015 as a coupe even though they refer to it having "more of a fastback" look than the current car. So, it's a fastback, regardless of what you have to say about it. The 2015 is also a fastback. An 87 GT with the hatch on the back is technically a fastback. If you want to get right down to it you could probably make the case that the SN95 car was a fastback given the slope of the back glass.
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9/10/14, 07:51 PM
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I have a '65 coupe and a '14 coupe/fastback/whatever...
In '65 there was a need for a fastback designation (to distinguish from the coupe/hardtop). In '14, there's only one non-convertible body style- so it wouldn't seem to matter. Of course, if you had to judge the car based on its silhouette, both the '14 and '15 are fastbacks. I was a bit dissapointed when they didn't have a "coupe/notchback" style in '05. I know its probably too expensive to have 3 bodystyles these days, but it would have been nice (I happen to like the hardtop shape- the convertible has a nice profile).
Just to throw another term into the mix, Ford also called the '69 fastback a "Sportsroof" (which is what the '15 reminds me of).
What really burns my muffins is how Ford somehow suspended the laws of simple mathematics. They can call the '15 the "50th anniversary" car all they want... simple math tells you the '14 is the 50th Mustang!
In '65 there was a need for a fastback designation (to distinguish from the coupe/hardtop). In '14, there's only one non-convertible body style- so it wouldn't seem to matter. Of course, if you had to judge the car based on its silhouette, both the '14 and '15 are fastbacks. I was a bit dissapointed when they didn't have a "coupe/notchback" style in '05. I know its probably too expensive to have 3 bodystyles these days, but it would have been nice (I happen to like the hardtop shape- the convertible has a nice profile).
Just to throw another term into the mix, Ford also called the '69 fastback a "Sportsroof" (which is what the '15 reminds me of).
What really burns my muffins is how Ford somehow suspended the laws of simple mathematics. They can call the '15 the "50th anniversary" car all they want... simple math tells you the '14 is the 50th Mustang!
9/10/14, 08:14 PM
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Yea I've seen big debates about the 50th year thing before, and true enough the 2014 is actually the 50th model year of the Mustang. Ford has dubbed the 2015 the 50th year because of the new car and they always need all the hype they can generate when selling a new car. As you correctly point out, anyone with simple math skills knows how full of s**t that is. But hey, being full of s**t is what car companies are all about.
9/11/14, 11:13 PM
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Ok - I think you guys have it all wrong, and panties are all bunched up and they don't need to be...
let's start with the true definition of a fastback..
a fastback is a car that goes fast, and you have to look back to see traffic...
that pretty much defines my car, dunno 'bout yours, but mine is a definite fastback...
/close thread
let's start with the true definition of a fastback..
a fastback is a car that goes fast, and you have to look back to see traffic...
that pretty much defines my car, dunno 'bout yours, but mine is a definite fastback...
/close thread
9/12/14, 05:28 AM
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They call the S197 a "coupe" because it's only got two doors, as opposed to a "sedan" that has four doors. In reality, the S197 is a fastback due to its similarity in roofline to the 65/66 fastback models. The rear S550 (unfortunatey labeled a "Mustang") is more akin to the 67-70 cars. It's more like a New Edge grafted onto a Fusion... I'm surprised it's not a front-wheel drive...
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