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Old 11/1/12, 6:16 AM   #1
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Whilst I'd always choose a Mustang first, I'm still looking forward to what GM and Chrysler do next with their pony cars
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Hard to tell as all three cars have great potential to be, well, great. My heart would be for the Stang. Ford already has some top-notch motors, especially the 5.0. Add IRS competence and capability, trim 200-300lbs of fat and you have the makings of a working man's M3.

As for the next Camaro, the ATS chassis is really great and GM's upcoming next-gen small block looks to be a real powerhouse too, so there's real potential there if GM executes it well. Hopefully it will be less of a rolling gun bunker, styling wise.

The Challenger is the one car I would love to see retain its styling as I think it is easily the best of the current three pony cars -- just if they would render it in perhaps 3/4 scale. Of course, some of the Cuda models were lookers too, so if Chrysler does and equally good interpretation with them, that could be a good thing.
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Old 11/2/12, 7:35 PM   #5
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The 4.6 Cobra motor went out with the Terminator (although the 5.4 more or less lived on until 2011) The 5.8 has only ever been the 5.8 GT500 motor.
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Mustang, we are on a Mustang forum....
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Mustang, we are on a Mustang forum....
that doesn't mean crap.
I own a new mustang yeah but I'd love to see what that 'cuda has to offer.
Camaros are the ugliest of the ugliest so that's not even in question. Their interior makes me want to puke so they need a complete overhaul is they want my money in the future.
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Old 11/7/12, 5:19 PM   #8
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that doesn't mean crap.
I own a new mustang yeah but I'd love to see what that 'cuda has to offer.
Camaros are the ugliest of the ugliest so that's not even in question. Their interior makes me want to puke so they need a complete overhaul is they want my money in the future.
Calm down, all I'm saying is that most of the people on this forum are mustang loyal. I'm not particularly brand loyal I've owned several makes, yet I like many here have a mustang bias. Unless Ford seriously screws this car up the majority of people on the forum will pick the mustang every time. It is an interesting question but unless we are in an unbiased forum the mustang will always be most highly awaited. My prediction the camaro is going to be the most powerful, the mustang most balanced and the Dodge once again will be the least popular. Camaro and mustang have such a loyal following that Dodge lost in the 80s and 90s.
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Calm down, all I'm saying is that most of the people on this forum are mustang loyal. I'm not particularly brand loyal I've owned several makes, yet I like many here have a mustang bias. Unless Ford seriously screws this car up the majority of people on the forum will pick the mustang every time. It is an interesting question but unless we are in an unbiased forum the mustang will always be most highly awaited. My prediction the camaro is going to be the most powerful, the mustang most balanced and the Dodge once again will be the least popular. Camaro and mustang have such a loyal following that Dodge lost in the 80s and 90s.
Yeah i mean between all three right now mustang is killing it, but if something better comes out down the road I will go with that. Camaros and challengers are both jokes compared to the mustangs now. The interior is just so refined in the mustang. I can keep going and going haja but old mopar>old ford
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I read you loud and clear my uncle feels the same way, I hope that the competition continues to improve the segment
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IMO, If the Camaro comes out anywhere close to the weight of the ATS (3400lbs), the Mustang will get creamed and lose it's performance advantage that it enjoys now that is if the Mustang only drop a few hundred lbs.

The Mustang needs to be at 3300lbs or lower and bump the Hp to 440 to stay competitive for the next go around, unfortunately I don't see them dropping that much weight of the Mustang.

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The new cuda is deff gonna be a big player in the game. I dont see the camaro dropping so much weight. Frod and dodge are gonna be the big two
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i think the cuda as they havent made them since 1974 im very excited about seeing the new cuda as i own a 73 purple 340 cuda show car,i was saving my money to buy one but now i own a 2006 roush stage 3 i dont want a cuda anymore as there is no way it could look better than my roush or faster.600hp crank 530 rwhp.
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i think the cuda as they havent made them since 1974 im very excited about seeing the new cuda as i own a 73 purple 340 cuda show car,i was saving my money to buy one but now i own a 2006 roush stage 3 i dont want a cuda anymore as there is no way it could look better than my roush or faster.600hp crank 530 rwhp.
You never know, I'm sure they are planning an SRT8 version to take on the 600+HP GT500 and 580hp ZL1
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The new cuda is deff gonna be a big player in the game. I dont see the camaro dropping so much weight. Frod and dodge are gonna be the big two
I do, the current gen Camaro weights 3850lbs SS with a manual almost the same as the G8 in which it shares it current chassis with, known as the zeta.
The Zeta Chassis will no longer be used and the Alpha chassis will take its place.
The Cadillac ATS weighs 3400lbs meaning that the Camaro won't need to lose weight when it inherent its lighter weight by the nature of a better chassis.

The next gen Camaro IMO will be somewhere 3300-3400lbs with a revise engine for fuel and performance, good low and mid range will make it a big winner for the performance minded crowed.

As for the next gen Mustang, I don't really see it losing to much weight if anything at all. untill the Gen after when they'll have to down size it but this could also mean a smaller displacement engine as-well.

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I do, the current gen Camaro weights 3850lbs SS with a manual almost the same as the G8 in which it shares it current chassis with, known as the zeta.
The Zeta Chassis will no longer be used and the Alpha chassis will take its place.
The Cadillac ATS weighs 3400lbs meaning that the Camaro won't need to lose weight when it inherent its lighter weight by the nature of a better chassis.

The next gen Camaro IMO will be somewhere 3300-3400lbs with a revise engine for fuel and performance, good low and mid range will make it a big winner for the performance minded crowed.

As for the next gen Mustang, I don't really see it losing to much weight if anything at all. untill the Gen after when they'll have to down size it but this could also mean a smaller displacement engine as-well.
If I've learned anything from Chevy's latest Camaro ZL1 and SS 1LE offerings, it's that technology and engineering can overcome a seemingly insurmountable amount of mass in terms of all sports car performance metrics -- handling, acceleration, etc. To date, we know very little about the next-generation Mustang; even less about the supposed-next-generation Camaro, which, from what I hear, will probably be competing with the refreshed 2018 Mustang rather than the all-new 2015 model. As is always the case, the cars will have to be tested head-to-head-to-head before a victor can be crowned.
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If I've learned anything from Chevy's latest Camaro ZL1 and SS 1LE offerings, it's that technology and engineering can overcome a seemingly insurmountable amount of mass in terms of all sports car performance metrics -- handling, acceleration, etc.
forgot to add a big advertising budget as well.
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I'm curious how the next camaro is going to look I've heard so much about the mustang but nothing on the camaro. Shouldn't they be testing prototypes by now?
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I'm curious how the next camaro is going to look I've heard so much about the mustang but nothing on the camaro. Shouldn't they be testing prototypes by now?
Im interested too. Maybe theyre onky doing subtle tweaks and staying under the radar
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